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February 27, 2012, 11:01 PM | #1 |
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TX - Several issues involved in shooting
There is too much information not present in this to make a call one way or the other. I don't think it is going to go well for this fellow in the end...
GEORGETOWN — A Northwest Austin resident accused in the shooting death of a man outside his house in the Avery Ranch area plans to plead not guilty, his lawyer said Monday. Fred Yazdi, 47, has been charged with murder and appeared at his first pre-trial hearing in the 26th District courtroom in Williamson County. http://www.statesman.com/news/willia...t-2203580.html The fact that the guy was hiding under Yazdi's wife's car is in the favor of the homeowner, but we really don't know what everyone's actions were after Yazdi caught him.
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Local media had a field day with this about 3 weeks ago, as there may have been a couple of 'updates' in the story as told to police from the home owner. The truth is not clear from any of the news reports (surprise), we'll realistically have to wait for the trial.
In the end, this may support the axiom "there are 4 sides to every story: The plaintiff's, the defendants, the verdict and the truth." It's not clear to me where the media versions lie.
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February 27, 2012, 11:57 PM | #3 |
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Hiding under a car is not a clear indication of a threat of bodily harm or death. I believe it’s going to go bad for this guy.
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February 28, 2012, 06:22 AM | #4 |
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Hmmmm. Travis County. He couldn't have picked a worse place in the state to have a shooting. And I don't see how the castle doctrine could possibly come into play, considering the shooting happened outside. I wouldn't want to be the attorney arguing on his behalf in this case.
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February 28, 2012, 07:07 AM | #5 |
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Isn't there a Texas state law that addresses intruders on your property after dark?
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February 28, 2012, 07:44 AM | #6 |
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Texas Laws on Protection of Property
SUBCHAPTER D. PROTECTION OF PROPERTY Sec. 9.41. PROTECTION OF ONE'S OWN PROPERTY. (a) A person in lawful possession of land or tangible, movable property is justified in using force against another when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to prevent or terminate the other's trespass on the land or unlawful interference with the property. (b) A person unlawfully dispossessed of land or tangible, movable property by another is justified in using force against the other when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to reenter the land or recover the property if the actor uses the force immediately or in fresh pursuit after the dispossession and: (1) the actor reasonably believes the other had no claim of right when he dispossessed the actor; or (2) the other accomplished the dispossession by using force, threat, or fraud against the actor. Acts 1973, 63rd Leg., p. 883, ch. 399, Sec. 1, eff. Jan. 1, 1974. Amended by Acts 1993, 73rd Leg., ch. 900, Sec. 1.01, eff. Sept. 1, 1994. Sec. 9.42. [COLOR="yellow"] DEADLY FORCE TO PROTECT PROPERTY. A person is justified in using deadly force against another to protect land or tangible, movable property: (1) if he would be justified in using force against the other under Section 9.41; and (2) when and to the degree he reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary: (A) to prevent the other's imminent commission of arson, burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the nighttime, or criminal mischief during the nighttime; or (B) to prevent the other who is fleeing immediately after committing burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, or theft during the nighttime from escaping with the property; and (3) he reasonably believes that: (A) the land or property cannot be protected or recovered by any other means; or (B) the use of force other than deadly force to protect or recover the land or property would expose the actor or another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury.[/COLOR] Acts 1973, 63rd Leg., p. 883, ch. 399, Sec. 1, eff. Jan. 1, 1974. Amended by Acts 1993, 73rd Leg., ch. 900, Sec. 1.01, eff. Sept. 1, 1994.
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February 28, 2012, 08:40 AM | #7 |
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Well, based on the new reports, Fred Yazdi is in a LOT of trouble. He apparently has given a statement to police that he shot the man because the man was trying to flee; yet Mr. Yazdi had no authority to detain the man (a citizen's arrest in Texas requires you witness the crime) and the man had not committed any property crime that allows the use of deadly force in Texas.
The initial news reports kept repeating the "crimes against property" angle; but I think that would be a very weak link to hang the defense on. I notice that one story reports that Mr. Yazdi had requested a public defender and a later report indicates he has hired his own counsel. This was a guy who really should have spent the money to talk to a lawyer before hand. I imagine he is going to be regretting not doing that for a long time to come. |
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Yeah, I don't see where Yazdi had any justification for shooting the guy given what was reported...even under Texas' laws allowing for defense of property by with lethal force. There was apparently no burglary or vandalism of Yazdi's property, no arson or other serious felony being committed that Yazdi knew about. Basically it looks like he discovered a trespasser and shot the trespasser to keep him from escaping. It doesn't help that Yazdi made it known that the reason for shooting was to keep the shootee from fleeing.
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So Yazdi first threatened to kill Recio if he tried to run and when Recio ran, Yazdi made good on his threat. Given what it sounds like, having Yazdi surrender is firearms seems prudent. http://www.kvue.com/news/Yazdi-in-co...140555613.html
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I don't think Travis County as location is a factor in this one. From what has been reported, it seems like a bad shoot, and it seems like it would be a bad shoot anywhere in the US, including the other counties in Texas.
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February 29, 2012, 07:33 AM | #13 |
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I would like to read about some "good" shootings in Travis county. Place has a super bad reputation in terms of CHL holders. Don't know if these are based in the attitudes of the powers that be or actual outcomes of investigations of "good" shootings.
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IOW TX law allows a citizen to detain another person "for the purpose of effecting a lawful arrest", and it does not have to be for a felony offense. However, AFAIK the issue here is whether Mr. Yadzi had a reasonable cause to believe that the man under the car had actually committed an arrestable offense. TX law does not seem to allow for a citizen's arrest based on suspicion or mere intent. IOW even if the person under the car had explicitly told Mr. Yadzi, "Yeah, I was going to break into your car / sexually assault your wife" but he hadn't actually done anything, Mr. Yadzi did not have the right to restrain him for it, much less use deadly force to do so.
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This appears to be the part that got him in trouble:
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I expect it will go very badly for Mr. Yazdi, and based on what is being reported, that is probably the way it should go. |
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I too believe that this is going to go badly. Without more information there doesn't appear to be enough evidence to warrant the use of deadly force.
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Right, it is going to go badly for Yazdi, but not because of the prosecutor's or chief's views on guns. It is going to go badly because he apparently committed murder. The case would not go better for Yazdi in a more pro-gun jurisdiction either. This isn't a guns rights issue. It is a lethal force and murder issue.
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The relevant law is: (a) A peace officer or any other person, may, without a warrant, arrest an offender when the offense is committed in his presence or within his view, if the offense is one classed as a felony or as an offense against the public peace. (b) A peace officer may arrest an offender without a warrant for any offense committed in his presence or within his view. So for Mr. Yazdi to have the authority to arrest this man, the offense would need to be a felony and have been committed within the view of Mr. Yazdi. Additionally, the statute does NOT authorize the use of deadly force to detain someone. Mr. Yazdi would still have to rely on Section 9 of the Penal Code for any use of deadly force. It looks like Mr. Yazdi's best angle is to argue that there was an immediate threat of death or serious injury posed by the man; however, that is going to be hard to square with the reporting and the statements given to police. |
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The trouble for Yazdi is that the District Attorney prosecuting his case is in an election fight to keep his job. The DA will want to appear tough on crime and will most likely make an example out of Yazdi. I suspect this case will get pleaded down to manslaughter considering that the shooting wasn't premeditated and there were no witnesses. Yazdi made a huge mistake by talking to the cops without the presence of an attorney. |
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Nice, Otto!
Since the attitude of Williamson County is ultra conservative, the DA Bradley being a conservative Republican, if we apply the same logic being attributed to Travis County, then folks should be claiming that things are going to go well for Yazdi because of Bradley's pro-gun beliefs. After all, Bradley isn't going to strongly pursue getting a conviction of an accused murderer if the accused murder used a gun, right? Heck, the decision to prosecute may even be dropped since personal beliefs come into making the decision to prosecute. See how silly all that sounds when you claim things will be worse off for an accused murder because of the county attitude/politics being anti-gun now that you find out he is in a different county with completely different political views toward guns? Assuming Bradley is re-elected, how the case turns out may be interesting to watch. Bradley is claiming to be bothered a wrong 25 year old murder conviction where the convicted man has not been exonerated. http://www.texastribune.org/library/...ange-of-heart/
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