Civilian Use Of Body Armor - Page 2

AmesJainchill · September 12, 2008, 01:45 PM

Samurai, I think that's a gross oversimplification of the possibilities.

Sparks, I have to say to go with what you feel is best. With underarmour and being inside you shouldn't have much problem wearing the vest.

Good luck!

Stagger Lee · September 12, 2008, 02:14 PM

Great. Now he's comparing himself to a police officer and/or a solider.

buzz_knox · September 12, 2008, 02:17 PM

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Great. Now he's comparing himself to a police officer and/or a solider.

No, he's not. He's pointing out the fallacy of the argument.

Sparks2112 · September 12, 2008, 02:20 PM

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Great. Now he's comparing himself to a police officer and/or a solider.

If you think that, then I would submit that your reading comprehension skills could use some work.

Stagger Lee · September 12, 2008, 02:23 PM

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No, he's not. He's pointing out the fallacy of the argument.

By making an inappropriate comparison.

Soliders and police officers go out to find bad guys and engage them at any time and place where they encounter them. Force is sometimes necessary and the bad guys sometimes use force in return.

Store clerks put things on shelves and sell lottery tickets inside a nice, safe store, with instructions to give any robber anything that the robber demands. There is no comparison between a store clerk and a police officer and/or a soldier.

But again, he already owned up to the fact that regardless of the job or any real "need", he just wants to own the stuff, and the fact that needs to be saving money because he's got a baby on the way is secondary.

That pretty much concludes the issue, doesn't it?

AK103K · September 12, 2008, 02:26 PM

If you want the vest, get it. Your always going to get nay sayers no matter what you do. If your willing to put up with and deal with the down sides, what do they care, your the one who has to wear it. This kind of reminds me of all the posts telling you you cant carry full sized pistols all day, everyday without everyone knowing, or you dying from the weight and size, etc, because "they" cant for some reason.

Personally, I'd wear the vest and carry a gun if I was working the graveyard shift at the local UniMart.

Yes, they can be hot, especially outside in the summer and warmer months or if your stuck inside in the heat all day in the winter. Your fitness and activity level will also have a big bearing on your comfort. Overweight and inactive people seem to have enough problems just sitting still in the A/C. If your fit or fat, your experiences may be somewhat different.

The "hot" issue is actually a benefit when outside in colder weather, and sometimes at the indoor ranges in the winter as they usually have the heat off and fans on. They are somewhat restrictive, and if you carry IWB, can sometimes interfere and pinch you if you move the wrong way. Theres no doubt, they can be annoying.

They do have their uses though. I have a couple and they get used a fair bit, and especially from this point on through winter. I always wear mine when ever I'm in the woods working/hunting during deer season(we work in the shotgun only zone), or at the range, and especially at the indoor ranges.

Most all the indoor (and outdoor for that matter) ranges I've been to are fairy well riddled with holes, and in just about all surfaces too. If I have to shoot around other people, then I always wear one. There are just to many knuckle heads out there these days and they seem to let anyone in if they show their money.

Sparks2112 · September 12, 2008, 02:35 PM

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By making an inappropriate comparison.

Soliders and police officers go out to find bad guys and engage them at any time and place where they encounter them. Force is sometimes necessary and the bad guys sometimes use force in return.

Store clerks put things on shelves and sell lottery tickets inside a nice, safe store, with instructions to give any robber anything that the robber demands. There is no comparison between a store clerk and a police officer and/or a soldier.

But again, he already owned up to the fact that regardless of the job or any real "need", he just wants to own the stuff, and the fact that needs to be saving money because he's got a baby on the way is secondary.

That pretty much concludes the issue, doesn't it?

How is it an inappropriate comparison?

If we take out of the equation what person A is doing when person B wants them dead, and only look at the fact that person B wants person A dead, then it doesn't matter what line of work they're in does it? I know person A doesn't stop and go "But sir, I am only a convenient store clerk and it is not in my job description to be murdered today. Go find a police officer to gun down."

BTW, you're a hypocrite. Real NEED never exists prior to the situation where you actually NEED something. No CCW'er ever NEEDS their gun until they actually are in a situation to use it. Until then, it's something to make them feel better. No police officer/soldier/security guard etc... NEEDS a vest until someone actually shoots them. Otherwise it's something for their peace of mind. Should I not own guns because I don't NEED them?

Honestly I don't know why you feel the need to comment. I asked a question that you didn't have an answer for. That right there should have precluded you from commenting in general, of course not though, you seem like the type that has a hard time not commenting though.

Erik · September 12, 2008, 02:49 PM

First, congratulations. Second, will your employer allow your wearing of body armor? Third, regardless, it sounds as if you have other financial priorities to meet before indulging in body armor.

Capt. Charlie · September 12, 2008, 02:50 PM

Closed for lack of civility.

Thanks to those of you that tried to keep this up to TFL standards.

September 12, 2008, 02:49 PM	#33
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September 12, 2008, 02:50 PM	#34
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September 12, 2008, 01:45 PM	#26
AmesJainchill Senior Member Join Date: June 1, 2006 Posts: 278	Samurai, I think that's a gross oversimplification of the possibilities. Sparks, I have to say to go with what you feel is best. With underarmour and being inside you shouldn't have much problem wearing the vest. Good luck!

September 12, 2008, 02:14 PM	#27
Stagger Lee Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2007 Posts: 342	Great. Now he's comparing himself to a police officer and/or a solider.

September 12, 2008, 02:26 PM	#31
AK103K Senior Member Join Date: May 1, 2001 Posts: 10,223	If you want the vest, get it. Your always going to get nay sayers no matter what you do. If your willing to put up with and deal with the down sides, what do they care, your the one who has to wear it. This kind of reminds me of all the posts telling you you cant carry full sized pistols all day, everyday without everyone knowing, or you dying from the weight and size, etc, because "they" cant for some reason. Personally, I'd wear the vest and carry a gun if I was working the graveyard shift at the local UniMart. Yes, they can be hot, especially outside in the summer and warmer months or if your stuck inside in the heat all day in the winter. Your fitness and activity level will also have a big bearing on your comfort. Overweight and inactive people seem to have enough problems just sitting still in the A/C. If your fit or fat, your experiences may be somewhat different. The "hot" issue is actually a benefit when outside in colder weather, and sometimes at the indoor ranges in the winter as they usually have the heat off and fans on. They are somewhat restrictive, and if you carry IWB, can sometimes interfere and pinch you if you move the wrong way. Theres no doubt, they can be annoying. They do have their uses though. I have a couple and they get used a fair bit, and especially from this point on through winter. I always wear mine when ever I'm in the woods working/hunting during deer season(we work in the shotgun only zone), or at the range, and especially at the indoor ranges. Most all the indoor (and outdoor for that matter) ranges I've been to are fairy well riddled with holes, and in just about all surfaces too. If I have to shoot around other people, then I always wear one. There are just to many knuckle heads out there these days and they seem to let anyone in if they show their money.