vanilla pudding instead of tenderloin?

Barnacle Brad · August 18, 2013, 08:43 PM

Ok boys, here's one for ya...

I have pulled the guts of quite a few critters, but last week I found the most unusual contents I have ever seen.

I killed a mature antelope buck, and when I pulled the entrails out, they did not come out clean - I mean, usually I get a tongue to bung removal of all the contents. This one disconnected just below the diaphragm.

There was a lot of blood pooled in the cavity, so I fished around a little to find a handle to finish the job. How surprised was I to come up with a handful of vanilla pudding? WTH?

I couldn't and still can't wrap my head around this find! The left side of his spine where the tenderloin should have lay was replaced by this viscous goo. I scooped out several handfuls and scraped over the tissue that remained of the tenderloin to remove the material. I thought perhaps it was an infection due to an injury, but there was no smell to it whatsoever. WTH??

Peeps, if anyone has ever seen such a thing please enlighten me. I butchered the critter and none of the meat seemed any different than all the other game I have processed.

Let the commentary flow...

Sure Shot Mc Gee · August 18, 2013, 09:22 PM

The guy you want to talk to is a veterinary. Or perhaps a local Game Warden. As either I would think would be familiar with the situation you encountered.

S/S

Bullcamp82834 · August 18, 2013, 09:23 PM

That's a new one on me. Particularly the lack of a nasty odor.

I'd call my local game warden and ask. I bet those guys have seen it before.

FrankenMauser · August 18, 2013, 10:46 PM

It sounds like a wound where the animal's body had successfully fought off the infection some time ago, but the white blood cells had not yet re-absorbed (hence, the "pudding", but not the smell).

buck460XVR · August 19, 2013, 11:02 AM

Hard to believe that the "goo" was not encapsulated within muscle membrane or an organ. Just being loose in the body cavity unless it was released during guttin or from shooting the animal would make me very wary. The amount referenced would also discourage me from eating the animal unless I was desperate. "Handfuls" of strange discharge so close to the best cuts of meat is not something I could forget when cookin' them up.

NoSecondBest · August 19, 2013, 11:29 AM

Here in NY they'll give you another tag if you get a critter with questionable safety/or suspect condition. I'd think most states do this. I'd pass eating it if I didn't know what it was. I shot a buck last year covered with dozens of black wart like growths all over its face and chest. I called the game dept and they identified it as a wart like virus that didn't get in the meat and only affected the outer skin. Apparently it's quite common, although I've never seen it on well over a hundred deer I've shot. I googled it and they were correct in what it was and it is safe to eat. After that, I butchered it and ate it. Without knowing, I wouldn't touch it.

Kreyzhorse · August 19, 2013, 02:36 PM

When in doubt, pitch it out. No idea what you stumbled across, but by the volume you describe, it isn't something I could over look. I've taken a few antelope in my day and have never seen any thing like you described.

As mentioned, call a warden and see what their thoughts are.

Scorch · August 19, 2013, 06:00 PM

It's an abscess. They are very common on ruminants like cattle, deer, or antelope, they get them from bacteria making it into the bloodstream and then lodging in an organ like the liver, kidneys, or spleen. I saw literally thousands of them working in a slaughterhouse. The fact that it had no odor means it was not "hot", i.e. the infection had been eliminated but the abscess had not yet been absorbed.

buck460XVR · August 20, 2013, 11:46 AM

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It's an abscess. They are very common on ruminants like cattle, deer, or antelope, they get them from bacteria making it into the bloodstream and then lodging in an organ like the liver, kidneys, or spleen. I saw literally thousands of them working in a slaughterhouse. The fact that it had no odor means it was not "hot", i.e. the infection had been eliminated but the abscess had not yet been absorbed.

Yeah, but three/four handfuls of pus in the body cavity of a 1000 pound steer is much different than that same amount in the carcass of an animal 10 times smaller. Being up tight to the tenderloins makes me suspect the infection was liver or kidney orientated. Blood that travels throughout the whole body flows thru those organs, meaning a pretty sick animal.....smell or no smell. Besides, if the guttin' process opens up and spills the cavity contents as the OP stated"I pulled the entrials out, they did not come out clean" , how's one gonna smell any thing else.

Ain't that much meat on an antelope to start with, I'd still pass.

Barnacle Brad · August 20, 2013, 12:05 PM

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Besides, if the guttin' process opens up and spills the cavity contents as the OP stated"I pulled the entrials out, they did not come out clean" , how's one gonna smell any thing else.

The OP did not say that the stomach contents had been breached. What I said was that the connective tissue normally present that provides tongue to bung removal of contents was compromised and did not allow that "clean" removal. That is not to say that there were stomach contents or anything else present in the cavity other than blood and that pudding. It was a very hot day and even with that, there was no odor of any kind coming from the cavity. But I appreciate your conjecture...

Barnacle Brad · August 20, 2013, 12:44 PM

According to my local Game and Fish Warden, as long as the flesh is palatable there is no concern with the meat making anyone sick.

SO - anyone want to come fer dinner??

Thanks for your comment Scorch...

buck460XVR · August 20, 2013, 02:01 PM

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Originally posted by Barnacle Brad:

According to my local Game and Fish Warden, as long as the flesh is palatable there is no concern with the meat making anyone sick.

There's the rub. The definition of "palatable" is "Pleasant to taste, tasty, savory, delicious". Never had any doubts that the meat, cooked properly would be safe to eat. My doubts were and still are, whether the meat is worth eating. Definitely your choice to make. My choice, even after what the warden said, would still be no.

Barnacle Brad · August 20, 2013, 03:22 PM

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Definitely your choice to make.

Well I guess as long as I have your permission to eat the "Pleasant to taste, tasty, savory, delicious" meat from this goat I am fine with it.

I started this thread to find out if anyone had ever saw this occurrence in a critter before. I never questioned the 'palatability' of the meat. As I have stated - I have cut up a pretty fair amount of meat in my fifty plus years.

If there was any difference in the texture, aroma or anything else different from the meat I am used to seeing I would have already made the decision to discard it. And by the way I have seen the meat from animal that had been wounded (by another hunter) and later killed by my son. There was NO QUESTION in regard to the "palatability" of that meat. We salvaged maybe a quarter of that critter, then decided even that was unfit.

So I appreciate your opinion on an animal you never saw, smelled, or processed buck460xvr. If I wanted an opinion on edibility - well I would never want an opinion on that because I am fully capable of making that determination myself. Thanks!

buck460XVR · August 20, 2013, 04:40 PM

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Well I guess as long as I have your permission to eat the "Pleasant to taste, tasty, savory, delicious" meat from this goat I am fine with it.

So I appreciate your opinion on an animal you never saw, smelled, or processed buck460xvr. If I wanted an opinion on edibility - well I would never want an opinion on that because I am fully capable of making that determination myself. Thanks!

I never meant to say you shouldn't eat it, or that you should.....I just said I wouldn't. Never said it wasn't edible, again, just that I am a tad picky. No need to get defensive. My youngest wont eat Morel mushrooms because of the way they look. Don't make me mad, just leaves more for me. I hope it's tasty and you enjoy it. Part of the hunt is relishing the meat. Only reason I responded to this thread is because you said...

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Let the commentary flow...

One thing for sure...I will never look at vanilla pudding the same way again.

Barnacle Brad · August 20, 2013, 05:12 PM

Defensive? Not yet...

Sarcastic? You bet...

bswiv · August 20, 2013, 08:15 PM

Been following this one with interest.........

And after thinking about it a while I'll admit that while I agree that it was probably "safe" once cooked, and may have even tasted good, I'd of not eaten it.

And I say this being someone who cleans fish for a living, have for 35 years, so I'm not what you'd characterize as squeamish.......but there are lines.

Worth knowing too that if something like that was found in one of the big tunas or swords, or maybe in a fat gator, I'd not feel safe in selling the meat.

Having said that I have to admit that I can give you no logical reason for taking that position.........squeamish I guess......

Barnacle Brad · August 20, 2013, 09:55 PM

Well the proof is in the pudding!

I fixed the 'good' tenderloin for dinner tonight. Pan seared with garlic powder, salt pepper, and dried basil with a cherry wine and butter reduction.

I tried to associate the awesome flavor in my mouth with the funk that was in the cavity without success. There was no 'off' flavor, not even gamey. The texture was perfect, juicy and tender. I really wish there had been two!

So you can accuse me of being desperate for food or being a fool or imprudent. But you can't accuse me of being a quitter or wasting a game animal.

I take great pride in my handling my game once it hits the ground. You can believe me that if my gag reflex had triggered even once, this thread would be about how I disposed of sick goat carcass.

Thanks again for the comments. Choke - I mean chalk this one up to experience, but one I don't need again for the rest of my hunting life...

hogdogs · August 20, 2013, 10:11 PM

Tuffer than I...

I wouldn't have wasted it... fed the wildlife for sure... Not sure I would have cooked it for the dogs but maybe...

Brent

big al hunter · August 20, 2013, 10:31 PM

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SO - anyone want to come fer dinner??

Sounds good to me. What time?

. Keep in mind I have a few hundred miles to drive.

Without a bad odor I wouldn't hesitate to eat it.

Barnacle Brad · August 20, 2013, 11:28 PM

Well I am about 14hrs from Seattle. If you leave about 4 a.m. you can be here in time for late dinner. Bring yer fishin pole and a pillow, I'll take care of the rest!

As for the guys advocating wanton waste of wildlife - shame on you. And coming from the Forum Staff??

I have seen these types come in from out of state and shoot a doe or smallish buck and leave it lay. Feeding the wildlife. Not being a man and taking responsibility for their actions is more like it. That is the lowest of low in my book.

And if you really want to insult me, tell me the meat in my freezer is not fit for your high brow flea bitten hounds. You hypocrites want to espouse ethics on one side of your mouth and then throw away perfectly good meat if you perceive an issue. Probably dont know what venison even tastes like after your processor gets done wallering it around their operation.

Oops! Did I use my out loud voice? Well kiss my a__ and call me Harry...

If you really want to know what I think about it just ask!

Moderator!

FrankenMauser · August 20, 2013, 11:56 PM

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As for the guys advocating wanton waste of wildlife - shame on you. And coming from the Forum Staff??

It's handled differently in Florida.
And, on top of seasons and bag limits that allow something like 108 deer to be taken, per hunter, Brent hunts areas that have big problems with meat being completely worm-infested. So, wasted animals are not something Wildlife officers even care about. (They wouldn't eat it, either.)

The deer population in Brent's area is doing "so well" that the Air Force often sends out "pest control" teams to shoot them and let them rot where they fall. Off the base, poachers keep the population in control, year-round.

Art Eatman · August 21, 2013, 09:26 AM

Well, at least there's been a little bit of a solution to the causality of the pudding...

August 18, 2013, 08:43 PM	#1
Barnacle Brad Senior Member Join Date: March 12, 2009 Location: Greybull, Wyoming Posts: 416	vanilla pudding instead of tenderloin? Ok boys, here's one for ya... I have pulled the guts of quite a few critters, but last week I found the most unusual contents I have ever seen. I killed a mature antelope buck, and when I pulled the entrails out, they did not come out clean - I mean, usually I get a tongue to bung removal of all the contents. This one disconnected just below the diaphragm. There was a lot of blood pooled in the cavity, so I fished around a little to find a handle to finish the job. How surprised was I to come up with a handful of vanilla pudding? WTH? I couldn't and still can't wrap my head around this find! The left side of his spine where the tenderloin should have lay was replaced by this viscous goo. I scooped out several handfuls and scraped over the tissue that remained of the tenderloin to remove the material. I thought perhaps it was an infection due to an injury, but there was no smell to it whatsoever. WTH?? Peeps, if anyone has ever seen such a thing please enlighten me. I butchered the critter and none of the meat seemed any different than all the other game I have processed. Let the commentary flow... __________________ Brad Last edited by Barnacle Brad; August 20, 2013 at 04:28 PM.

August 18, 2013, 10:46 PM	#4
FrankenMauser Senior Member Join Date: August 25, 2008 Location: In the valley above the plain Posts: 13,421	It sounds like a wound where the animal's body had successfully fought off the infection some time ago, but the white blood cells had not yet re-absorbed (hence, the "pudding", but not the smell). __________________ Don't even try it. It's even worse than the internet would lead you to believe.

August 19, 2013, 11:02 AM	#5
buck460XVR Senior Member Join Date: December 28, 2006 Posts: 4,342	Hard to believe that the "goo" was not encapsulated within muscle membrane or an organ. Just being loose in the body cavity unless it was released during guttin or from shooting the animal would make me very wary. The amount referenced would also discourage me from eating the animal unless I was desperate. "Handfuls" of strange discharge so close to the best cuts of meat is not something I could forget when cookin' them up. Last edited by buck460XVR; August 19, 2013 at 05:24 PM.

August 19, 2013, 02:36 PM	#7
Kreyzhorse Senior Member Join Date: April 12, 2006 Location: NKY Posts: 12,463	When in doubt, pitch it out. No idea what you stumbled across, but by the volume you describe, it isn't something I could over look. I've taken a few antelope in my day and have never seen any thing like you described. As mentioned, call a warden and see what their thoughts are. __________________ "He who laughs last, laughs dead." Homer Simpson

August 19, 2013, 06:00 PM	#8
Scorch Senior Member Join Date: February 13, 2006 Location: Washington state Posts: 15,248	It's an abscess. They are very common on ruminants like cattle, deer, or antelope, they get them from bacteria making it into the bloodstream and then lodging in an organ like the liver, kidneys, or spleen. I saw literally thousands of them working in a slaughterhouse. The fact that it had no odor means it was not "hot", i.e. the infection had been eliminated but the abscess had not yet been absorbed. __________________ Never try to educate someone who resists knowledge at all costs. But what do I know? Summit Arms Services

August 18, 2013, 09:22 PM	#2
Sure Shot Mc Gee Senior Member Join Date: January 2, 2012 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,876	The guy you want to talk to is a veterinary. Or perhaps a local Game Warden. As either I would think would be familiar with the situation you encountered. S/S

August 18, 2013, 09:23 PM	#3
Bullcamp82834 Member Join Date: July 31, 2013 Location: Buffalo, WY Posts: 94	That's a new one on me. Particularly the lack of a nasty odor. I'd call my local game warden and ask. I bet those guys have seen it before.

August 19, 2013, 11:29 AM	#6
NoSecondBest Senior Member Join Date: December 7, 2009 Location: Western New York Posts: 2,736	Here in NY they'll give you another tag if you get a critter with questionable safety/or suspect condition. I'd think most states do this. I'd pass eating it if I didn't know what it was. I shot a buck last year covered with dozens of black wart like growths all over its face and chest. I called the game dept and they identified it as a wart like virus that didn't get in the meat and only affected the outer skin. Apparently it's quite common, although I've never seen it on well over a hundred deer I've shot. I googled it and they were correct in what it was and it is safe to eat. After that, I butchered it and ate it. Without knowing, I wouldn't touch it.

August 20, 2013, 12:44 PM	#11
Barnacle Brad Senior Member Join Date: March 12, 2009 Location: Greybull, Wyoming Posts: 416	According to my local Game and Fish Warden, as long as the flesh is palatable there is no concern with the meat making anyone sick. SO - anyone want to come fer dinner?? Thanks for your comment Scorch... __________________ Brad

August 20, 2013, 05:12 PM	#15
Barnacle Brad Senior Member Join Date: March 12, 2009 Location: Greybull, Wyoming Posts: 416	Defensive? Not yet... Sarcastic? You bet... __________________ Brad

August 20, 2013, 08:15 PM	#16
bswiv Senior Member Join Date: June 4, 2006 Location: NE FL....... Posts: 1,081	Been following this one with interest......... And after thinking about it a while I'll admit that while I agree that it was probably "safe" once cooked, and may have even tasted good, I'd of not eaten it. And I say this being someone who cleans fish for a living, have for 35 years, so I'm not what you'd characterize as squeamish.......but there are lines. Worth knowing too that if something like that was found in one of the big tunas or swords, or maybe in a fat gator, I'd not feel safe in selling the meat. Having said that I have to admit that I can give you no logical reason for taking that position.........squeamish I guess...... __________________ http://www.thefishermansdock.com/

August 20, 2013, 09:55 PM	#17
Barnacle Brad Senior Member Join Date: March 12, 2009 Location: Greybull, Wyoming Posts: 416	Well the proof is in the pudding! I fixed the 'good' tenderloin for dinner tonight. Pan seared with garlic powder, salt pepper, and dried basil with a cherry wine and butter reduction. I tried to associate the awesome flavor in my mouth with the funk that was in the cavity without success. There was no 'off' flavor, not even gamey. The texture was perfect, juicy and tender. I really wish there had been two! So you can accuse me of being desperate for food or being a fool or imprudent. But you can't accuse me of being a quitter or wasting a game animal. I take great pride in my handling my game once it hits the ground. You can believe me that if my gag reflex had triggered even once, this thread would be about how I disposed of sick goat carcass. Thanks again for the comments. Choke - I mean chalk this one up to experience, but one I don't need again for the rest of my hunting life... __________________ Brad

August 20, 2013, 10:11 PM	#18
hogdogs Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 31, 2007 Location: Western Florida panhandle Posts: 11,069	Tuffer than I... I wouldn't have wasted it... fed the wildlife for sure... Not sure I would have cooked it for the dogs but maybe... Brent

August 20, 2013, 11:28 PM	#20
Barnacle Brad Senior Member Join Date: March 12, 2009 Location: Greybull, Wyoming Posts: 416	Well I am about 14hrs from Seattle. If you leave about 4 a.m. you can be here in time for late dinner. Bring yer fishin pole and a pillow, I'll take care of the rest! As for the guys advocating wanton waste of wildlife - shame on you. And coming from the Forum Staff?? I have seen these types come in from out of state and shoot a doe or smallish buck and leave it lay. Feeding the wildlife. Not being a man and taking responsibility for their actions is more like it. That is the lowest of low in my book. And if you really want to insult me, tell me the meat in my freezer is not fit for your high brow flea bitten hounds. You hypocrites want to espouse ethics on one side of your mouth and then throw away perfectly good meat if you perceive an issue. Probably dont know what venison even tastes like after your processor gets done wallering it around their operation. Oops! Did I use my out loud voice? Well kiss my a__ and call me Harry... If you really want to know what I think about it just ask! Moderator! __________________ Brad Last edited by hogdogs; August 21, 2013 at 05:50 AM.

August 21, 2013, 09:26 AM	#22
Art Eatman Staff in Memoriam Join Date: November 13, 1998 Location: Terlingua, TX; Thomasville, GA Posts: 24,798	Well, at least there's been a little bit of a solution to the causality of the pudding...

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