Side-by-Side or Over/Under? - Page 5

Savage99 · March 18, 2015, 09:07 AM

When I use a shotgun it's a drilling or a Side by Side. Otherwise I am a rifleman. The under/over does not interest me. I have used shotguns well for 60 years.

Savage99 · March 18, 2015, 09:35 AM

On the left is my Bernadelli Gamecock 20 ga with 27.5" barrels @ 5#13oz and to the right a Ugartechia M221 20ga with 24.75" barrels @ 5#9oz. Both have straight grips, double triggers, tang safeties and are handy, fit me well and are fast.

ClayBlaster · March 18, 2015, 08:20 PM

Those are some nice sxs's Savage99 why the shorter barrels? Do you use those for bird hunting?

Savage99 · March 19, 2015, 08:39 AM

The barrel lengths work well for me, I like them and they all came that way.

In terms of expansion ratios they have to be adequate.

In terms of what's 'best' I leave that to the shotgun aficionados!

The shotguns are for small game where the drilling s rifle barrel is not allowed.

B.L.E. · March 19, 2015, 06:24 PM

With smokeless powder loads, there's very little ballistic gain with barrels longer than around 20 inches or so in a shotgun. The longer barrel is mostly for better pointing or a smoother swing.
In the black powder days, you did need long barrels to get all the velocity out of a load.

ClayBlaster · March 19, 2015, 09:14 PM

Well I was disappointed today. Turns out the CZ Sharp-Tail sxs has an unknown lead time. Local store said they don't know when they will get any. Secondly, the CZ A712 autoloader with adjustable stock and comb is not California legal because of the adjustable stock. So much for a gun for my daughter. Back to lookings!

Virginian · March 20, 2015, 08:52 AM

Savage99, I commend your excellent taste. I love those little Vincenzo Bernardellis.

FITASC · March 20, 2015, 03:33 PM

Savage, sure looks like a lot of dust or lint on those barrels! If so, for shame, for shame - it means it isn't get used enough!....

Nice gun, now go enjoy!

ClayBlaster · March 21, 2015, 12:28 AM

Well turns out California Gun Girls (Oak Tree Range in Santa Clarita) is full of it! I called CZ today, the Sharp Tail is in stock and the A712 is Cal legal. That said, went down to Rifle Gear in Fountain Valley and will have my guns in 10 days,

March 18, 2015, 09:07 AM	#101
Savage99 Senior Member Join Date: May 17, 2004 Posts: 567	When I use a shotgun it's a drilling or a Side by Side. Otherwise I am a rifleman. The under/over does not interest me. I have used shotguns well for 60 years. Last edited by Savage99; March 18, 2015 at 09:40 AM.

March 19, 2015, 06:24 PM	#105
B.L.E. Senior Member Join Date: December 20, 2008 Location: Somewhere on the Southern shore of Lake Travis, TX Posts: 2,603	With smokeless powder loads, there's very little ballistic gain with barrels longer than around 20 inches or so in a shotgun. The longer barrel is mostly for better pointing or a smoother swing. In the black powder days, you did need long barrels to get all the velocity out of a load. __________________ Hanlon's Razor "Do not invoke conspiracy as explanation when ignorance and incompetence will suffice, as conspiracy implies intelligence and organization."

March 20, 2015, 08:52 AM	#107
Virginian Senior Member Join Date: February 11, 2012 Location: Williamsburg, Va. Posts: 1,528	Savage99, I commend your excellent taste. I love those little Vincenzo Bernardellis. __________________ What could have happened... did.

March 20, 2015, 03:33 PM	#108
FITASC Senior Member Join Date: December 6, 2014 Posts: 6,440	Savage, sure looks like a lot of dust or lint on those barrels! If so, for shame, for shame - it means it isn't get used enough!.... Nice gun, now go enjoy! __________________ "I believe that people have a right to decide their own destinies; people own themselves. I also believe that, in a democracy, government exists because (and only so long as) individual citizens give it a 'temporary license to exist'—in exchange for a promise that it will behave itself. In a democracy, you own the government—it doesn't own you."- Frank Zappa

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March 18, 2015, 09:35 AM	#102
Savage99 Senior Member Join Date: May 17, 2004 Posts: 567	On the left is my Bernadelli Gamecock 20 ga with 27.5" barrels @ 5#13oz and to the right a Ugartechia M221 20ga with 24.75" barrels @ 5#9oz. Both have straight grips, double triggers, tang safeties and are handy, fit me well and are fast.

March 18, 2015, 08:20 PM	#103
ClayBlaster Member Join Date: January 25, 2015 Posts: 23	Those are some nice sxs's Savage99 why the shorter barrels? Do you use those for bird hunting?

March 19, 2015, 08:39 AM	#104
Savage99 Senior Member Join Date: May 17, 2004 Posts: 567	The barrel lengths work well for me, I like them and they all came that way. In terms of expansion ratios they have to be adequate. In terms of what's 'best' I leave that to the shotgun aficionados! The shotguns are for small game where the drilling s rifle barrel is not allowed.

March 19, 2015, 09:14 PM	#106
ClayBlaster Member Join Date: January 25, 2015 Posts: 23	Well I was disappointed today. Turns out the CZ Sharp-Tail sxs has an unknown lead time. Local store said they don't know when they will get any. Secondly, the CZ A712 autoloader with adjustable stock and comb is not California legal because of the adjustable stock. So much for a gun for my daughter. Back to lookings!

March 21, 2015, 12:28 AM	#109
ClayBlaster Member Join Date: January 25, 2015 Posts: 23	Well turns out California Gun Girls (Oak Tree Range in Santa Clarita) is full of it! I called CZ today, the Sharp Tail is in stock and the A712 is Cal legal. That said, went down to Rifle Gear in Fountain Valley and will have my guns in 10 days,