State of Florida vs. George Zimmerman - Page 14

maestro pistolero · July 12, 2013, 04:05 PM

A quick verdict seems unlikely now. . . the jury requested an inventory list of the evidence.

csmsss · July 12, 2013, 04:21 PM

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A quick verdict seems unlikely now. . . the jury requested an inventory list of the evidence.

That's curious, because in the jury instructions it is written:

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During the trial, items were received into evidence as exhibits. You may examinewhatever exhibits you think will help you in your deliberations. These exhibits will be sent intothe jury room with you when you begin to deliberate.

which, to me, indicates that all of the exhibits are supposed to be given to the jurors? Am I misreading this instruction?

Brian Pfleuger · July 12, 2013, 04:28 PM

If I were on that jury and we took the first vote and it was unanimously "Not Guilty", my next thought would be to keep us in there for a few hours, at least. I can only imagine the chaos of a 20 minute deliberation followed by "Not Guilty". Even if every one of us was 100% convinced of not guilty, I'd want to sit there for awhile.

**Spats McGee** · July 12, 2013, 04:35 PM

I'm with Brian on that one. Were I on the jury, I wouldn't want to emerge after just a few minutes with a NG verdict. Chaos would ensue.

ClydeFrog · July 12, 2013, 04:42 PM

Id agree that the 6 women(the alternates were released by Judge Nelson), may decide on a "not guilty" already but will give it 5/6 hours to give the impression they weighed every piece & reviewed every remark.
Alex Ferrar(Judge Alex) told the Orlando area media in 2011 of how, when he was on the bench in south Florida, a jury rendered a verdict in 10min!

He said how he was in the restroom & went right back into the courtroom.

Due to the civil rights issues & media, Im sure the jury wants to let the verdict & legal process to be as smooth as they can.

Closing The Gap · July 12, 2013, 05:07 PM

The jury has recessed for the evening.

csmsss · July 12, 2013, 05:11 PM

I'm shocked the jurors were not sequestered. Does anyone REALLY believe they're going to be steadfastly ignoring the vast media coverage of this case?

Closing The Gap · July 12, 2013, 05:19 PM

When the defense attorney made the comment about driving to the court house and said "well you didn't drive here today" referring to the jurors. I assumed they were sequestered at a hotel or something. They're not?

Technosavant · July 12, 2013, 05:24 PM

They were indeed sequestered.

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Jurors in the George Zimmerman trial are expected to begin their sequestration at an undisclosed location on Sunday, less than 24 hours before the start of opening statements.

http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/...opening/nYRnj/

The location has not been disclosed.

csmsss · July 12, 2013, 05:25 PM

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When the defense attorney made the comment about driving to the court house and said "well you didn't drive here today" referring to the jurors. I assumed they were sequestered at a hotel or something. They're not?

I think I got snookered by a bad news source. I checked again and they are, indeed, sequestered. The source I had previously read indicated that they had been "sent home for the weekend."

Here 'tis:

csmsss · July 12, 2013, 05:55 PM

Sheesh. CBS doubled down on its mistake on their front page:

JimPage · July 12, 2013, 06:53 PM

I am not a lawyer. That said, I am a reasonable man. Neither am I completely cognizant of all the evidence.

From the evidence and testimonhy I am aware of I must say that I see more than a reasonable doubt about his guilt (GZ's ). I don't think the prosecution made a reasonable or effective case. In fact I think it was full of holes.

But I do have a queasy feeling that the jury might confict GZ of manslaughter because they feel overwhelming pressure to convict of something because "this never should have happened." If that happens, it is even more egregious because the effect on GZ will be nearly the same.

From my limited knowledge, I think GZ is not guilty of all charges.

horselips · July 12, 2013, 07:27 PM

As the Jury's deliberations proceed, I wonder if heightened tensions, and anticipation of disorders, will result in another big spike in gun sales - especially in Florida?

LewSchiller · July 12, 2013, 08:26 PM

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As the Jury's deliberations proceed, I wonder if heightened tensions, and anticipation of disorders, will result in another big spike in gun sales - especially in Florida?

4 Gun shows this weekend in Florida
Jul 13-14 Inverness Gun Show
Jul 13-14 Naples Gun Show
Jul 13-14 Tallahassee Florida Gun Show
Jul 14 Oakland Park Gun and Knife Show

It'd be interesting to attend one.

ClydeFrog · July 12, 2013, 08:34 PM

Like the "Camp Casey" events in Orlando Florida of 2011, for the Casey Anthony trial, a few protestors & groups are in front of the Seminole County FL building.
They just want to hoot & wave signs for the large media coverage.
Sheriff Don Eisigner & Chief Smith of Sanford have put many plans in place, some visible & some covert.

I highly doubt any civil disorders or major events will occur.
People don't want to make a bad situation worse but I agree that these female jurors may feel the need to "punish" bad little Georgie because he started the incident by "playing cop"

I can honestly tell you both working as a MP & a licensed security officer many people in the general public feel they "know it all"

and by watching Law and Order or CSI Miami or Dexter, they know security, LE, crime scene investigations, field interviews, SWAT tactics, etc.
Training, fees, re-quals, degrees, LE academies, awards/certifications, etc mean nothing.

CF

Al Norris · July 12, 2013, 09:17 PM

At this point in time, no one here is arguing any of the evidence. The Jury has been given the case and all we can do is wait for a decision.

Further speculation (otherwise known as mental masturbation) is pointless.

ETA: I do want to thank everyone for a well behaved and well mannered discussion.

Closed for the duration.

July 12, 2013, 04:28 PM	#328
Brian Pfleuger Moderator Emeritus Join Date: June 25, 2008 Location: Austin, CO Posts: 19,578	If I were on that jury and we took the first vote and it was unanimously "Not Guilty", my next thought would be to keep us in there for a few hours, at least. I can only imagine the chaos of a 20 minute deliberation followed by "Not Guilty". Even if every one of us was 100% convinced of not guilty, I'd want to sit there for awhile. __________________ Nobody plans to screw up their lives... ...they just don't plan not to. -Andy Stanley

July 12, 2013, 04:35 PM	#329
Spats McGee Staff Join Date: July 28, 2010 Location: Arkansas Posts: 8,821	I'm with Brian on that one. Were I on the jury, I wouldn't want to emerge after just a few minutes with a NG verdict. Chaos would ensue. __________________ I'm a lawyer, but I'm not your lawyer. If you need some honest-to-goodness legal advice, go buy some.

July 12, 2013, 04:42 PM	#330
ClydeFrog Junior member Join Date: May 1, 2010 Posts: 5,797	Trial jury plans, case material.... Id agree that the 6 women(the alternates were released by Judge Nelson), may decide on a "not guilty" already but will give it 5/6 hours to give the impression they weighed every piece & reviewed every remark. Alex Ferrar(Judge Alex) told the Orlando area media in 2011 of how, when he was on the bench in south Florida, a jury rendered a verdict in 10min! He said how he was in the restroom & went right back into the courtroom. Due to the civil rights issues & media, Im sure the jury wants to let the verdict & legal process to be as smooth as they can.

July 12, 2013, 05:07 PM	#331
Closing The Gap Senior Member Join Date: January 2, 2013 Location: Las Vegas Nevada Posts: 258	The jury has recessed for the evening. __________________ Half the country hates my business, the other half my hobby.

July 12, 2013, 05:19 PM	#333
Closing The Gap Senior Member Join Date: January 2, 2013 Location: Las Vegas Nevada Posts: 258	When the defense attorney made the comment about driving to the court house and said "well you didn't drive here today" referring to the jurors. I assumed they were sequestered at a hotel or something. They're not? __________________ Half the country hates my business, the other half my hobby.

July 12, 2013, 04:05 PM	#326
maestro pistolero Senior Member Join Date: August 16, 2007 Posts: 2,153	A quick verdict seems unlikely now. . . the jury requested an inventory list of the evidence.

July 12, 2013, 05:11 PM	#332
csmsss Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 2008 Location: Orange, TX Posts: 3,078	I'm shocked the jurors were not sequestered. Does anyone REALLY believe they're going to be steadfastly ignoring the vast media coverage of this case?

July 12, 2013, 05:55 PM	#336
csmsss Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 2008 Location: Orange, TX Posts: 3,078	Sheesh. CBS doubled down on its mistake on their front page: Last edited by csmsss; July 12, 2013 at 06:05 PM.

July 12, 2013, 06:53 PM	#337
JimPage Senior Member Join Date: February 21, 2010 Location: Rome, NY Posts: 941	I am not a lawyer. That said, I am a reasonable man. Neither am I completely cognizant of all the evidence. From the evidence and testimonhy I am aware of I must say that I see more than a reasonable doubt about his guilt (GZ's ). I don't think the prosecution made a reasonable or effective case. In fact I think it was full of holes. But I do have a queasy feeling that the jury might confict GZ of manslaughter because they feel overwhelming pressure to convict of something because "this never should have happened." If that happens, it is even more egregious because the effect on GZ will be nearly the same. From my limited knowledge, I think GZ is not guilty of all charges. __________________ Jim Page Cogito, ergo armatum sum

July 12, 2013, 07:27 PM	#338
horselips Senior Member Join Date: February 26, 2013 Posts: 159	As the Jury's deliberations proceed, I wonder if heightened tensions, and anticipation of disorders, will result in another big spike in gun sales - especially in Florida?

July 12, 2013, 08:34 PM	#340
ClydeFrog Junior member Join Date: May 1, 2010 Posts: 5,797	Camp Casey; media hype.... Like the "Camp Casey" events in Orlando Florida of 2011, for the Casey Anthony trial, a few protestors & groups are in front of the Seminole County FL building. They just want to hoot & wave signs for the large media coverage. Sheriff Don Eisigner & Chief Smith of Sanford have put many plans in place, some visible & some covert. I highly doubt any civil disorders or major events will occur. People don't want to make a bad situation worse but I agree that these female jurors may feel the need to "punish" bad little Georgie because he started the incident by "playing cop" I can honestly tell you both working as a MP & a licensed security officer many people in the general public feel they "know it all" and by watching Law and Order or CSI Miami or Dexter, they know security, LE, crime scene investigations, field interviews, SWAT tactics, etc. Training, fees, re-quals, degrees, LE academies, awards/certifications, etc mean nothing. CF

July 12, 2013, 09:17 PM	#341
Al Norris Moderator Emeritus Join Date: June 29, 2000 Location: Rupert, Idaho Posts: 9,660	At this point in time, no one here is arguing any of the evidence. The Jury has been given the case and all we can do is wait for a decision. Further speculation (otherwise known as mental masturbation) is pointless. ETA: I do want to thank everyone for a well behaved and well mannered discussion. Closed for the duration.