22 SMG's

MrBlonde · May 24, 2000, 10:10 PM

I am just curious about some .22 SMG's I have heard of. Ivers Johnson made a .22lr SMG? Didnt they even make a .22 Short SMG? Didnt Colt make an .22lr SMG? Am I just making this up about the Colt? What about the TEC-22? Was that just a .22 version of the TEC-9? Just curious.

berg · May 24, 2000, 10:56 PM

Thompson made a .22 version of the famous 45acp "Tommy Gun". Believe it is extremely rare. There is an Austrian model 180 that has a horizontal drum on top. This was used in some American prisons for the guards. There are quite a few of these in civilan hands in the US. Russia had a .22 version called the "Blyum", similar to the PPSh-41. The Russian designer made several .22 submachine guns. Many .22 kit adapters have been made for full auto guns. The M16, H&K G3, MAC 10 and MAC 11 for example. I have a proto-type .22kit for my Chi-Com full auto AK-47. Full Auto .22 is really fun, especially good for youngsters to get into the full auto scene.

**4V50 Gary** · May 24, 2000, 10:59 PM

Probably the most interesting full auto 22 isn't a SMG but the belt fed Tippman 1919A2 in .22 LR. It was a scaled down version of the WW II machine gun.

fal308 · May 26, 2000, 08:00 AM

The 180 that a poster referred to was the American 180. It could be had in semi-auto or full-auto. It also had a couple of different sized horizontal drums. One was a 177 round and the other drum holds 280 rounds. Don't recall the manufacturer's name at the moment.

fal308 · May 26, 2000, 08:09 AM

The March 1998 issue of Small Arms Review had an article on .22lr machineguns and subguns starting on page 32.
In the open bolt category they reviewed the American 180, a Group Industries Uzi, Voere (which was imported as a semi-auto open bolt and converted, prior to 1986) which looks like a standard hunting rifle,
Closed bolt 22lr machine guns included the Norrel/Ruger 10/22, Bingham PPsh-41 22lr, Trejo 22lr machine pistol, Max Atchison 22lr conversion kits for the M16, Ruger AC556/22lr conversion by Ceiner, FAL 22lr conversions by H&K and Erma, Fleming M11 & MAC 10 22lr conversion kits, Sentinel MAC 10 22lr conversion kits, MP5 22lr conversion kits and Numrich Arms 22lr Thompsons.

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May 24, 2000, 10:10 PM	#1
MrBlonde Senior Member Join Date: March 20, 2000 Posts: 473	I am just curious about some .22 SMG's I have heard of. Ivers Johnson made a .22lr SMG? Didnt they even make a .22 Short SMG? Didnt Colt make an .22lr SMG? Am I just making this up about the Colt? What about the TEC-22? Was that just a .22 version of the TEC-9? Just curious.

May 24, 2000, 10:56 PM	#2
berg Junior Member Join Date: May 23, 2000 Posts: 2	Thompson made a .22 version of the famous 45acp "Tommy Gun". Believe it is extremely rare. There is an Austrian model 180 that has a horizontal drum on top. This was used in some American prisons for the guards. There are quite a few of these in civilan hands in the US. Russia had a .22 version called the "Blyum", similar to the PPSh-41. The Russian designer made several .22 submachine guns. Many .22 kit adapters have been made for full auto guns. The M16, H&K G3, MAC 10 and MAC 11 for example. I have a proto-type .22kit for my Chi-Com full auto AK-47. Full Auto .22 is really fun, especially good for youngsters to get into the full auto scene.

May 24, 2000, 10:59 PM	#3
4V50 Gary Staff Join Date: November 2, 1998 Location: Colorado Posts: 21,829	Probably the most interesting full auto 22 isn't a SMG but the belt fed Tippman 1919A2 in .22 LR. It was a scaled down version of the WW II machine gun.

May 26, 2000, 08:00 AM	#4
fal308 Staff Alumnus Join Date: October 12, 1998 Location: Missouri Posts: 1,992	The 180 that a poster referred to was the American 180. It could be had in semi-auto or full-auto. It also had a couple of different sized horizontal drums. One was a 177 round and the other drum holds 280 rounds. Don't recall the manufacturer's name at the moment.

May 26, 2000, 08:09 AM	#5
fal308 Staff Alumnus Join Date: October 12, 1998 Location: Missouri Posts: 1,992	The March 1998 issue of Small Arms Review had an article on .22lr machineguns and subguns starting on page 32. In the open bolt category they reviewed the American 180, a Group Industries Uzi, Voere (which was imported as a semi-auto open bolt and converted, prior to 1986) which looks like a standard hunting rifle, Closed bolt 22lr machine guns included the Norrel/Ruger 10/22, Bingham PPsh-41 22lr, Trejo 22lr machine pistol, Max Atchison 22lr conversion kits for the M16, Ruger AC556/22lr conversion by Ceiner, FAL 22lr conversions by H&K and Erma, Fleming M11 & MAC 10 22lr conversion kits, Sentinel MAC 10 22lr conversion kits, MP5 22lr conversion kits and Numrich Arms 22lr Thompsons.