Felt recoil

ammo.crafter · March 22, 2007, 05:45 PM

What has a greater felt recoil: 44mag @ 300gr or 444 @ 300gr?

The 44mag weighs 6.5 LBS and the 444 weighs 7.3/4LBS.

Scorch · March 22, 2007, 06:34 PM

Depends on the velocity and powder charge.
More powder or more velocity= more felt recoil.
So typically, I would say the 444 has greater recoil.

**Unclenick** · March 22, 2007, 09:13 PM

The added weight of the 444 will help a little, but the larger case tends to need more and slower powder to get a matching velocity for a given bullet weight. It will thus have higher remaining gas pressure as the bullet exits the muzzle. The mass of the propellant gas ejected after the bullet leaves turns the muzzle briefley into an impulse rocket motor and contributes to recoil, often rather more significantly than is realized. This is why muzzle brakes that simply blow the gas out equally in all directions still reduce recoil. They vent the jet gasses before they get to the muzzle to contribute to the rocket effect by venting forward. It is also why such brakes seem to do so much more to reduce the recoil of maximum loads than of light loads. The loss of the jet gases leaves only the accelerating reaction against the bullet to contribute to recoil. What you get from the 444 in return for the added recoil is the potential to be loaded up to higher velocity if you choose to burn the powder needed to do so.

Bullet94 · March 22, 2007, 10:02 PM

I believe that felt recoil is the recoil that is felt. This can be different from actual recoil. The best example I know is – take a 12 gage shotgun and fire it with it held against your shoulder (you will feel the recoil) then take the same 12 gage and fire it with the butt about an inch in front of your nose. The actual recoil will be the same but the felt recoil will be different. DON”T REALLY TRY THIS. For actual recoil you might check here -

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March 22, 2007, 05:45 PM	#1
ammo.crafter Senior Member Join Date: June 25, 2006 Location: The Keystone State Posts: 1,970	Felt recoil What has a greater felt recoil: 44mag @ 300gr or 444 @ 300gr? The 44mag weighs 6.5 LBS and the 444 weighs 7.3/4LBS. __________________ "Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading". --Thomas Jefferson

March 22, 2007, 06:34 PM	#2
Scorch Senior Member Join Date: February 13, 2006 Location: Washington state Posts: 15,248	Depends on the velocity and powder charge. More powder or more velocity= more felt recoil. So typically, I would say the 444 has greater recoil. __________________ Never try to educate someone who resists knowledge at all costs. But what do I know? Summit Arms Services

March 22, 2007, 09:13 PM	#3
Unclenick Staff Join Date: March 4, 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 21,063	The added weight of the 444 will help a little, but the larger case tends to need more and slower powder to get a matching velocity for a given bullet weight. It will thus have higher remaining gas pressure as the bullet exits the muzzle. The mass of the propellant gas ejected after the bullet leaves turns the muzzle briefley into an impulse rocket motor and contributes to recoil, often rather more significantly than is realized. This is why muzzle brakes that simply blow the gas out equally in all directions still reduce recoil. They vent the jet gasses before they get to the muzzle to contribute to the rocket effect by venting forward. It is also why such brakes seem to do so much more to reduce the recoil of maximum loads than of light loads. The loss of the jet gases leaves only the accelerating reaction against the bullet to contribute to recoil. What you get from the 444 in return for the added recoil is the potential to be loaded up to higher velocity if you choose to burn the powder needed to do so. __________________ Gunsite Orange Hat Family Member CMP Certified GSM Master Instructor NRA Certified Rifle Instructor NRA Benefactor Member and Golden Eagle

March 22, 2007, 10:02 PM	#4
Bullet94 Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2004 Location: Kansas Posts: 723	I believe that felt recoil is the recoil that is felt. This can be different from actual recoil. The best example I know is – take a 12 gage shotgun and fire it with it held against your shoulder (you will feel the recoil) then take the same 12 gage and fire it with the butt about an inch in front of your nose. The actual recoil will be the same but the felt recoil will be different. DON”T REALLY TRY THIS. For actual recoil you might check here - http://www.travellercentral.com/rules/ke.html __________________ PRO-SECOND AMENDMENT - Live Free or Die