Canadian Snipers on ground in Afghanistan

Lord Grey Boots · February 11, 2002, 01:49 AM

Americans requested Canadian snipers who view mission as highlight of careers

Ewok_Guy · February 11, 2002, 08:24 AM

Good article.

ATTICUS · February 11, 2002, 10:09 AM

"They say that they're not getting enough practice shooting - due to the costs involved - and they say that they have good days and bad. "

"Ammunition is hard to come by to shoot more. We should be shooting more, but we don't," said Alex.

That's pretty sad.

Jamie Young · February 11, 2002, 10:20 AM

Its even Funnier that they get to Practice on the Taliban

Yanus · February 11, 2002, 10:47 AM

Sounds like the "Great Feral Afghani Hunt" of 2002.....LOL!

I wonder if they get to take the ears or the turban......

Yanus

KSFreeman · February 11, 2002, 01:01 PM

I don't know. The greatest "Candanian" sniper of all time was a Hoosier.

dZ · February 11, 2002, 02:36 PM

A Canadian sniper from the Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry tests his equipment in full camouflage as he looks through a C-3 rifle at the air base in Kandahar, Afghanistan, Saturday, Feb. 9, 2002. The precision marksmen are trained in the arts of camouflage and moving undetected in enemy territory.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...170/12wri.html
Canadian soldier Major Doug Palmer (L), wearing proposed desert camouflage gear, and Warrant Officer Frank Moses (R) wearing forest green sniper camouflage at an unveiling of new military gear in Ottawa, February 7, 2002. The Canadian military came under criticism after sending troops to Afghanistan wearing green army fatigues. REUTERS/Jim Young

SDC · February 11, 2002, 03:36 PM

The way things are going up here, it wouldn't surprise me that they have dark green ghillie suits for Afghanistan; one of the things that raised a stink up here before the Princess Pats were sent over is that the Canadian Forces HAVE NO DESERT CAMO. Our joke of a "Defence Minister" first tried to say this was "no big deal", and then held a conference to show how our soldiers would be perfectly safe if they covered up their jungle camos with a desert-pattern ground sheet. Laffs galore! You can bet your tuckus that if HE was expecting to get shot at in Afghanistan, it would very quickly become a very big deal indeed. Rant over.

Jamie Young · February 11, 2002, 03:55 PM

The Canadiens may need to plant a few trees in Afghanistan if they want those BDU's to work

kenc · February 11, 2002, 04:51 PM

The picture of the latest Taliban members they captured showed the Taliban in pure white snow suits head to toe. That tells me that the Taliban are still active as snipers why else would they have on pure white snow suits with pure white boots and face covers. Still a pretty dangerous bunch over there!

Burrahobbit · February 11, 2002, 04:55 PM

I was pretty mad, like most Canadians, about the cammo thing and everything else that has slowly eroded our military's capibility, but our guys will be fine. They will and have adapted and persevered, just like they have in the past. Getting sent up the creek without a paddle is practically a tradition in Canada in relation to military operations dating back many years (you don't even want to know what got issued to our guys in WW1). They didnt just toss a brown bag over themselves like the D.M. suggested, they used their ingenuity and have changed their cammo to suit their environment.

ATTICUS · February 11, 2002, 04:58 PM

Princess Patricia's Canadian Light infantry?

Cammo? I'm thinking something black, silky, and sheer. Victoria secret maybe.

Redhook · February 12, 2002, 05:14 AM

Does anyone know what material is used on this suit?

If I had to take a guess, it's burlap jute, but I've never seen that color before. Is it undyed? The grey/green color would be perfect for my area.

-Red-

squak · February 12, 2002, 09:29 AM

re: the pic....
That has got to be a "photo op/p.r." pic for the benefit of some clueless pencil jockey. My team wouldn't take a position where I was clearly that visable (read: _target_).

squak

Scarborough · February 12, 2002, 01:08 PM

ATTICUS, ''Pat's Pets'' as they have also been known are a regimental sized unit stationed in Winnipeg, Manitoba province. They have an extremely honorable military heritage. The Candian forces in WWI for example were bled white by the offensives in and around Passchendale. If anyone were to go to the town of Roland Manitoba with a population of app.200 they would see a WWI memorial with if I remember correctly the names of 33 men from that town that died in combat. Those Canadian boys are O.K.

12-34hom · February 12, 2002, 02:49 PM

Is that an AWS system?

Looks to be a 338 lapua mag.

12-34hom.

ATTICUS · February 12, 2002, 04:41 PM

Scarborough: Just teasing....but you've gotta love that name. Maybe we should rename the 101st Airborne for Patsy Cline (Miss Patsy's Light Para's). They'd love that.

My grandfather was an American who ran away from home,at 15 years old, to serve with the Canadian Army in WWI. He was a tough cookie, and I have no doubt that the Princess Patricia Lights are tough as well.

Scarborough · February 12, 2002, 05:45 PM

Thanks ATTICUS. In all honesty I was starting to foam at the mouth. I should have known that you were kidding. As far as the 101st is concerned there ain't nothing any of us can call them that the 82nd has'nt thought up yet. Regards, Scarborough

MikeCAN · February 12, 2002, 07:36 PM

12-34hom

It's not a .338, it's a Parker-Hale C3 in .308.

MikeCAN

DesertRat · February 12, 2002, 11:59 PM

dZ,

That guy in your post really needs a haircut. I didn't know that the Canadian Military allowed such long hair. hehehe. Just kidding. That "ghillie" looks as though it may be quite useful in some environs.

As for Canadians entering the fray in Afghanistan, I can tell you that these two snipers are not the first. My neighbor (Jay), a Marine currently serving in the Air Force reserves just returned for 1 week leave from Kandahar. He says that everybody and their brother is over there. Canadian, Australians, Brits, etc., etc.,

Jay says that place is like the old west. He says he's never seen so many guns in his life. He says everybodys packing. All this from a Desert Storm vet and former jungle warfare trainer in south/central america in the 80's. Go figure.

mussi · February 13, 2002, 06:18 AM

If this guy is really a sniper, why in hell didn't he use camo face paint?

MikeCAN · February 13, 2002, 06:46 AM

He's not wearing cam paint, because it was quite obviously
staged.

"Hey, here comes the news crew, put on your Ghillie suit
Sergeant, and try to look mean."

Or maybe even,

"Put Bloggins in my Ghillie suit for the pictures, I don't want
my picture in the paper -- I'm a family man, not a poster boy..."

Either is possible...

But it was still a good article. The Canadian army needs the
good publicity. Usually all the articles are 'wife-beaters and
head-cases'.

MikeCAN

Watch-Six · February 13, 2002, 11:25 AM

My best wishes for a productive "varmint hunt" guys. Watch-Six

12-34hom · February 13, 2002, 11:25 AM

MikeCan - Thank you

12-34hom.

Bogie · February 13, 2002, 12:02 PM

Is it just me, or does that barrel either look (1) awfully skinny; or (2) have one heckuva big hole in it? Seems to be a bit larger than a .30 cal...

February 11, 2002, 01:49 AM	#1
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February 11, 2002, 08:24 AM	#2
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February 11, 2002, 10:09 AM	#3
ATTICUS Senior Member Join Date: June 7, 1999 Location: Central Ohio Posts: 2,100	"They say that they're not getting enough practice shooting - due to the costs involved - and they say that they have good days and bad. " "Ammunition is hard to come by to shoot more. We should be shooting more, but we don't," said Alex. That's pretty sad. __________________ Always do right. This will gratify some people and astonish the rest. Mark Twain

February 11, 2002, 10:20 AM	#4
Jamie Young Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2000 Location: SE/PA Posts: 4,834	Its even Funnier that they get to Practice on the Taliban __________________ Find out about Gun Shows and Training activities. www.TheRallyPoint.org Get your gun club involved!!

February 11, 2002, 10:47 AM	#5
Yanus Senior Member Join Date: November 1, 1999 Location: Nowherespecial, TX Posts: 437	Sounds like the "Great Feral Afghani Hunt" of 2002.....LOL! I wonder if they get to take the ears or the turban...... Yanus __________________ Never do an enemy a minor injury. Machiavelli "Stay alive with a 45" "Keep America Beautiful, plant a terrorist!"

February 11, 2002, 01:01 PM	#6
KSFreeman Senior Member Join Date: June 9, 2001 Location: Lafayette, Indiana--American-occupied America Posts: 5,418	I don't know. The greatest "Candanian" sniper of all time was a Hoosier.

February 11, 2002, 02:36 PM	#7
dZ Senior Member Join Date: May 31, 1999 Location: Exiled, Fetid Swamp, DC Posts: 7,548	A Canadian sniper from the Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry tests his equipment in full camouflage as he looks through a C-3 rifle at the air base in Kandahar, Afghanistan, Saturday, Feb. 9, 2002. The precision marksmen are trained in the arts of camouflage and moving undetected in enemy territory. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...170/12wri.html Canadian soldier Major Doug Palmer (L), wearing proposed desert camouflage gear, and Warrant Officer Frank Moses (R) wearing forest green sniper camouflage at an unveiling of new military gear in Ottawa, February 7, 2002. The Canadian military came under criticism after sending troops to Afghanistan wearing green army fatigues. REUTERS/Jim Young __________________ "O tell the Lacedomecians to damn the torpedoes." BOTR, Chapter V: Some Monsters

February 11, 2002, 03:36 PM	#8
SDC Senior Member Join Date: January 23, 2001 Location: People's Republic of Kanada Posts: 1,652	The way things are going up here, it wouldn't surprise me that they have dark green ghillie suits for Afghanistan; one of the things that raised a stink up here before the Princess Pats were sent over is that the Canadian Forces HAVE NO DESERT CAMO. Our joke of a "Defence Minister" first tried to say this was "no big deal", and then held a conference to show how our soldiers would be perfectly safe if they covered up their jungle camos with a desert-pattern ground sheet. Laffs galore! You can bet your tuckus that if HE was expecting to get shot at in Afghanistan, it would very quickly become a very big deal indeed. Rant over. __________________ Gun control in Canada: making the streets safer for rapists, muggers, and other violent criminals since 1936.

February 11, 2002, 03:55 PM	#9
Jamie Young Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2000 Location: SE/PA Posts: 4,834	The Canadiens may need to plant a few trees in Afghanistan if they want those BDU's to work __________________ Find out about Gun Shows and Training activities. www.TheRallyPoint.org Get your gun club involved!!

February 11, 2002, 04:51 PM	#10
kenc Junior Member Join Date: February 11, 2002 Posts: 2	The picture of the latest Taliban members they captured showed the Taliban in pure white snow suits head to toe. That tells me that the Taliban are still active as snipers why else would they have on pure white snow suits with pure white boots and face covers. Still a pretty dangerous bunch over there!

February 11, 2002, 04:55 PM	#11
Burrahobbit Member Join Date: September 3, 2001 Location: N.S. Canada Posts: 23	although I was pretty mad, like most Canadians, about the cammo thing and everything else that has slowly eroded our military's capibility, but our guys will be fine. They will and have adapted and persevered, just like they have in the past. Getting sent up the creek without a paddle is practically a tradition in Canada in relation to military operations dating back many years (you don't even want to know what got issued to our guys in WW1). They didnt just toss a brown bag over themselves like the D.M. suggested, they used their ingenuity and have changed their cammo to suit their environment. __________________ "Those who rely on authority in maintaining their opinions are exercising their memory rather than their judgment." -Leonardo da Vinci

February 11, 2002, 04:58 PM	#12
ATTICUS Senior Member Join Date: June 7, 1999 Location: Central Ohio Posts: 2,100	Princess Patricia's Canadian Light infantry? Cammo? I'm thinking something black, silky, and sheer. Victoria secret maybe. __________________ Always do right. This will gratify some people and astonish the rest. Mark Twain

February 12, 2002, 05:14 AM	#13
Redhook Senior Member Join Date: January 25, 2001 Posts: 254	Does anyone know what material is used on this suit? If I had to take a guess, it's burlap jute, but I've never seen that color before. Is it undyed? The grey/green color would be perfect for my area. -Red-

February 12, 2002, 09:29 AM	#14
squak Junior Member Join Date: February 12, 2002 Posts: 1	re: the pic.... That has got to be a "photo op/p.r." pic for the benefit of some clueless pencil jockey. My team wouldn't take a position where I was clearly that visable (read: _target_). squak

February 12, 2002, 01:08 PM	#15
Scarborough Senior Member Join Date: August 11, 2001 Location: Fargo North Dakota Posts: 543	ATTICUS, ''Pat's Pets'' as they have also been known are a regimental sized unit stationed in Winnipeg, Manitoba province. They have an extremely honorable military heritage. The Candian forces in WWI for example were bled white by the offensives in and around Passchendale. If anyone were to go to the town of Roland Manitoba with a population of app.200 they would see a WWI memorial with if I remember correctly the names of 33 men from that town that died in combat. Those Canadian boys are O.K.

February 12, 2002, 02:49 PM	#16
12-34hom Senior Member Join Date: June 8, 1999 Location: Iowa - northeastern Posts: 1,810	Type of rifle? Is that an AWS system? Looks to be a 338 lapua mag. 12-34hom.

February 12, 2002, 04:41 PM	#17
ATTICUS Senior Member Join Date: June 7, 1999 Location: Central Ohio Posts: 2,100	Scarborough: Just teasing....but you've gotta love that name. Maybe we should rename the 101st Airborne for Patsy Cline (Miss Patsy's Light Para's). They'd love that. My grandfather was an American who ran away from home,at 15 years old, to serve with the Canadian Army in WWI. He was a tough cookie, and I have no doubt that the Princess Patricia Lights are tough as well. __________________ Always do right. This will gratify some people and astonish the rest. Mark Twain

February 12, 2002, 05:45 PM	#18
Scarborough Senior Member Join Date: August 11, 2001 Location: Fargo North Dakota Posts: 543	Thanks ATTICUS. In all honesty I was starting to foam at the mouth. I should have known that you were kidding. As far as the 101st is concerned there ain't nothing any of us can call them that the 82nd has'nt thought up yet. Regards, Scarborough

February 12, 2002, 07:36 PM	#19
MikeCAN Member Join Date: January 27, 2001 Location: Petawawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 40	12-34hom It's not a .338, it's a Parker-Hale C3 in .308. MikeCAN

February 12, 2002, 11:59 PM	#20
DesertRat Senior Member Join Date: September 10, 1999 Posts: 118	dZ, That guy in your post really needs a haircut. I didn't know that the Canadian Military allowed such long hair. hehehe. Just kidding. That "ghillie" looks as though it may be quite useful in some environs. As for Canadians entering the fray in Afghanistan, I can tell you that these two snipers are not the first. My neighbor (Jay), a Marine currently serving in the Air Force reserves just returned for 1 week leave from Kandahar. He says that everybody and their brother is over there. Canadian, Australians, Brits, etc., etc., Jay says that place is like the old west. He says he's never seen so many guns in his life. He says everybodys packing. All this from a Desert Storm vet and former jungle warfare trainer in south/central america in the 80's. Go figure.

February 13, 2002, 06:18 AM	#21
mussi Senior Member Join Date: January 17, 2000 Location: Berne, Switzerland Posts: 757	If this guy is really a sniper, why in hell didn't he use camo face paint?

February 13, 2002, 06:46 AM	#22
MikeCAN Member Join Date: January 27, 2001 Location: Petawawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 40	He's not wearing cam paint, because it was quite obviously staged. "Hey, here comes the news crew, put on your Ghillie suit Sergeant, and try to look mean." Or maybe even, "Put Bloggins in my Ghillie suit for the pictures, I don't want my picture in the paper -- I'm a family man, not a poster boy..." Either is possible... But it was still a good article. The Canadian army needs the good publicity. Usually all the articles are 'wife-beaters and head-cases'. MikeCAN

February 13, 2002, 11:25 AM	#23
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February 13, 2002, 11:25 AM	#24
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February 13, 2002, 12:02 PM	#25
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