Help the n00b with his grip

FDzerzhinsky · September 21, 2005, 08:31 PM

Okay, to start it off, I'm a whopping fifteen years old whose parents aren't exactly gun friendly, so at the moment I know a whole lot of nothing.

For my birthday present to myself (once I get enough money, that is), I was thinking of buying either a (note: Both semiauto, as I'm sure all of you know) Binelli Nova or a Remmington 870 -- 12 or 20 gauge, not sure which yet. So, I have a few questions:

A) Are either of these decent starter shotguns?

B) Would a pistol grip help accuracy and control?

C) Synthetic stock or not?

And, pertaining to the Remmington 870:

I get a nice little catalog known as "Cheaper Than Dirt." In it, a long with a whole bunch of other stuff, are shotgun accessories/upgrades that you can buy for certain guns -- the Rem 870 happens to be one of them. I was thinking, that A) Should I get enough money and B) I get the 870 that I was going to buy the pistol grip/solid synthetic stock with the shell holders. (There's also a bunch of other things that I can't remember right now, but one does stand out. THe pistol-like grip for the pump. It looked awkward, and if anyone has two cents they'll give, I'd like to hear it.)

So, I just wanted to get a few opinions from people that actually know something.

God Bless,

--FDzerzhinsky

psycho nut · September 21, 2005, 09:39 PM

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I'm a whopping fifteen years

I'm 15 on November 1st, nice to meet you.

I like the 870, it was my first shotgun. I would recomend it.

270Win · September 21, 2005, 10:05 PM

I really recommend the 870. It was recommended to me very recently (on this board!) as an excellent first, middle and last shotgun. And it is. I picked up an 870 Wingmaster, and really recommend one to you.

I saw a Benelli Nova at the same gun show as the Wingmaster, and an Ithaca Model 37, and a few other tempting items...but the 870 had the most solid feel, the best action, and of course the reputation. As a longtime rifle shooter, I appreciated the little things that made the 870 what it is - fit and finish, durability, ease of use, overall quality.

So that's my vote.

Dave McC · September 22, 2005, 04:01 AM

Welcome aboard. A couple things...

While the Nova is an OK shotgun, the 870 is the standard by which all pump guns are judged.

And yes, these are pumps, not semi autos.

Skip the PG equipped full stock, the vertical foregrip etc.

Spend your money on ammo and lessons with a qualified instructor. The addons and mods are for later, if ever.

HTH....

ShottyTim · September 22, 2005, 05:13 AM

FD, consider yourself lucky that Dave MCC posted on this, he is considered godly on this forum atleast in my eyes he is, and yes go with the rem 870, that was my first gun as well, un fortunately i had to wait till my 18th which was a few months ago, and dont waste money on mods just yet, just like dave said ammo and practice, or as some say it the software is more important than the hardware right dave. If you want a tactical look, go with the remington 870 HD its all black with a synthetic stock and an 18 barrel, the legal limit.

Hope you make the "right" decision.

Tim

exoduster16 · September 22, 2005, 07:51 AM

Yeah definitley go with the 870. I have one and I also have an 11-87 from remington to and they both are very good guns. I wouldn't want anything else!

FDzerzhinsky · September 23, 2005, 10:40 PM

First off, thanks, Dave McC, for correcting my blatant screwup in mixing pump and semiauto.

And it seems everyone agrees on the Rem 870, so I guess I'll have to write that down. Thanks, everyone, for all of your help.

And Dave McC, I find the pistol grip is a tad more comfortable than the regular rifle grip, but I wanted everyone's opinion on it, first. Thanks.

God Bless,

FDzerzhinsky

Cowled_Wolfe · September 23, 2005, 11:19 PM

Hey... 17 here.

My one tip... If the shotgun you pick doesn't have a recoil pad, buy one. They're worth it, especially on shorter shotguns.

Wolfe... (Who's glad to see he's not the only young'n on here...)

Dave McC · September 24, 2005, 12:56 PM

FD,You're very welcome. That may change once you shoot a bit. Darn few folks I know find the PG style of stock more comfortable with full house loads. But, if it works for you....

AAshooter · September 24, 2005, 01:09 PM

FD, go with the 870. If you want to go a little nicer, go with a Wingmaster instead of the express. Get one with a 28 inch barrel. This will be an extremely flexible gun. You can hunt with it, shoot trap, skeet, sporting clays.

Skip the integrated pistol grip, short barrel and tactical stuff until you want a specialized tactical gun. Buy a standard 870 and learn shoot well. Worry less about the tricky add-ons and more about your skills.

If possible, get involve in NSSF's scholastic clays program at your local gun club or something similar. Here is there link: http://www.nssf.org/sctp/

Be the guy that digs out his old battered 870 out of his pick up and outshoots everyone out there.

There are a lot of used 870s out there. They have been sold forever and sell a lot of them annual. Shop around and you can probably pick up a used one for a good price.

FDzerzhinsky · September 24, 2005, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave McC

FD,You're very welcome. That may change once you shoot a bit. Darn few folks I know find the PG style of stock more comfortable with full house loads. But, if it works for you....

Well, I'll take your word for it and skip the PG...as it's the cheaper route.

And AAshooter, I'll take your advice about the WingMaster, 28'' thing, thanks.

And I know the local Cabelas sells them new for just under three hundred (Along with a few other things I want just for their show value and for when I get bored, such as their AntiMaterial .50 Barret and their WWII collection of a Garand, M1 Carbine, Thompson, and two M911A1 pistols

, but that's 3000 and 7500, respectively.

)

Anyways....

September 21, 2005, 08:31 PM	#1
FDzerzhinsky Junior Member Join Date: September 14, 2005 Location: Around Posts: 5	Help the n00b with his grip Okay, to start it off, I'm a whopping fifteen years old whose parents aren't exactly gun friendly, so at the moment I know a whole lot of nothing. For my birthday present to myself (once I get enough money, that is), I was thinking of buying either a (note: Both semiauto, as I'm sure all of you know) Binelli Nova or a Remmington 870 -- 12 or 20 gauge, not sure which yet. So, I have a few questions: A) Are either of these decent starter shotguns? B) Would a pistol grip help accuracy and control? C) Synthetic stock or not? And, pertaining to the Remmington 870: I get a nice little catalog known as "Cheaper Than Dirt." In it, a long with a whole bunch of other stuff, are shotgun accessories/upgrades that you can buy for certain guns -- the Rem 870 happens to be one of them. I was thinking, that A) Should I get enough money and B) I get the 870 that I was going to buy the pistol grip/solid synthetic stock with the shell holders. (There's also a bunch of other things that I can't remember right now, but one does stand out. THe pistol-like grip for the pump. It looked awkward, and if anyone has two cents they'll give, I'd like to hear it.) So, I just wanted to get a few opinions from people that actually know something. God Bless, --FDzerzhinsky __________________ F. K. Dzerzhinsky No, there is no relation to the Chekist That one n00b After the chaos and carnage of September 11th, it is not enough to serve our enemies with legal papers. -- President George W. Bush

September 21, 2005, 10:05 PM	#3
270Win Senior Member Join Date: August 30, 2005 Location: Damascus, Maryland Posts: 921	870! I really recommend the 870. It was recommended to me very recently (on this board!) as an excellent first, middle and last shotgun. And it is. I picked up an 870 Wingmaster, and really recommend one to you. I saw a Benelli Nova at the same gun show as the Wingmaster, and an Ithaca Model 37, and a few other tempting items...but the 870 had the most solid feel, the best action, and of course the reputation. As a longtime rifle shooter, I appreciated the little things that made the 870 what it is - fit and finish, durability, ease of use, overall quality. So that's my vote.

September 22, 2005, 05:13 AM	#5
ShottyTim Senior Member Join Date: June 4, 2005 Posts: 138	FD, consider yourself lucky that Dave MCC posted on this, he is considered godly on this forum atleast in my eyes he is, and yes go with the rem 870, that was my first gun as well, un fortunately i had to wait till my 18th which was a few months ago, and dont waste money on mods just yet, just like dave said ammo and practice, or as some say it the software is more important than the hardware right dave. If you want a tactical look, go with the remington 870 HD its all black with a synthetic stock and an 18 barrel, the legal limit. Hope you make the "right" decision. Tim __________________ Molon Labe meaning come and get them

September 22, 2005, 07:51 AM	#6
exoduster16 Senior Member Join Date: July 27, 2005 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 148	Yeah definitley go with the 870. I have one and I also have an 11-87 from remington to and they both are very good guns. I wouldn't want anything else! __________________ Mine: Weatherby Vanguard in 7mm Rem Mag Remington Model 572 Pumpmaster Remington Model 11-87 12 guage Remington Model 870 Express 12 Gauge w/18.5 in. barrel And plenty of ammo for all of them

September 23, 2005, 10:40 PM	#7
FDzerzhinsky Junior Member Join Date: September 14, 2005 Location: Around Posts: 5	First off, thanks, Dave McC, for correcting my blatant screwup in mixing pump and semiauto. And it seems everyone agrees on the Rem 870, so I guess I'll have to write that down. Thanks, everyone, for all of your help. And Dave McC, I find the pistol grip is a tad more comfortable than the regular rifle grip, but I wanted everyone's opinion on it, first. Thanks. God Bless, FDzerzhinsky __________________ F. K. Dzerzhinsky No, there is no relation to the Chekist That one n00b After the chaos and carnage of September 11th, it is not enough to serve our enemies with legal papers. -- President George W. Bush

September 22, 2005, 04:01 AM	#4
Dave McC Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 13, 1999 Location: Columbia, Md, USA Posts: 8,811	Welcome aboard. A couple things... While the Nova is an OK shotgun, the 870 is the standard by which all pump guns are judged. And yes, these are pumps, not semi autos. Skip the PG equipped full stock, the vertical foregrip etc. Spend your money on ammo and lessons with a qualified instructor. The addons and mods are for later, if ever. HTH....

September 23, 2005, 11:19 PM	#8
Cowled_Wolfe Senior Member Join Date: November 26, 2004 Location: Washington... Land of the apple, and the apple maggot! Posts: 803	Hey... 17 here. My one tip... If the shotgun you pick doesn't have a recoil pad, buy one. They're worth it, especially on shorter shotguns. Wolfe... (Who's glad to see he's not the only young'n on here...) __________________ [Your ad could be here! Call 555-0122 for details.] (\__/) (='.'=)This is Bunny. Copy and paste bunny into (")_(")your signature to help him gain world domination.

September 24, 2005, 12:56 PM	#9
Dave McC Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 13, 1999 Location: Columbia, Md, USA Posts: 8,811	FD,You're very welcome. That may change once you shoot a bit. Darn few folks I know find the PG style of stock more comfortable with full house loads. But, if it works for you....

September 24, 2005, 01:09 PM	#10
AAshooter Senior Member Join Date: March 5, 2001 Posts: 379	FD, go with the 870. If you want to go a little nicer, go with a Wingmaster instead of the express. Get one with a 28 inch barrel. This will be an extremely flexible gun. You can hunt with it, shoot trap, skeet, sporting clays. Skip the integrated pistol grip, short barrel and tactical stuff until you want a specialized tactical gun. Buy a standard 870 and learn shoot well. Worry less about the tricky add-ons and more about your skills. If possible, get involve in NSSF's scholastic clays program at your local gun club or something similar. Here is there link: http://www.nssf.org/sctp/ Be the guy that digs out his old battered 870 out of his pick up and outshoots everyone out there. There are a lot of used 870s out there. They have been sold forever and sell a lot of them annual. Shop around and you can probably pick up a used one for a good price. __________________ Play hard, shoot often, leave well worn guns!