410 Snake Charmer

2Old2Change · April 22, 2008, 08:22 AM

I have a single shot 410 Snake Charmer, that I purchased many years ago. Thinking of strictly home security, was just thinking it might be a good one to keep handy, with possibly using slugs, or #4's in it? Has anyone ever seen anything larger than #4 shot for them? I realize it'd be a one shot deal, so if it comes to that, would prefer it be a good shot. Thanks for all your help.

mikenbarb · April 22, 2008, 11:41 AM

Keep in mind that they also make buckshot loads for the .410 and they come in 00 or 000 with 3 or 4 pellets. They arent good for long distance but up close their pretty good.

mulletguter59 · April 22, 2008, 04:30 PM

I might get some S for this, but here’s my suggestion besides getting another HD weapon. "45 Colt"

mikenbarb · April 22, 2008, 08:29 PM

Think its .45 long colt.

mulletguter59 · April 22, 2008, 11:42 PM

45 Colt, 45 Long Colt to me is 6 of one, half dozen of the other. Other people may differ.

Which is it: .45 Long Colt or .45 Colt? http://funarg.nfshost.com/r2/notes/longcolt.html

http://www.modelguns.co.uk/images/pcecarts.jpg

http://www.municion.org/45colt/RemUmc45ColtFogG.jpg

rburch · April 23, 2008, 01:31 AM

I've had one for a few years, but never really thought of it for defense. I did shoot a trap course with mine once, but that's a different story.

Is yours the shoulder stock or the weird pistol version?

Mine's the pistol version.

In any case just get some buckshot rounds for it, they'll do the job in the case of a single intruder situation. I'd still have another weapon close by in case of multiple attackers, trying to reload those things quickly isn't easy.

mikenbarb · April 25, 2008, 06:52 AM

I just came across a sweet Snake Charmer at Gander for $139.00 and I think im gonna get for the barn birds. I dont think I could go wrong at that price.

Rampant_Colt · April 25, 2008, 05:04 PM

Home defense? No...[if the bad guy is armed, you're screwed!]
Blowing [color=#FF0000]█[/color][color=#FF0000]█[/color][color=#FF0000]█[/color][color=#FF0000]█[/color][color=#FF0000]█[/color] up and breaking hand-tossed clays? Hell yeah!

These are hella fun to shoot hand-tossed clays with, except .410 ammo is kinda expensive

I'd be willing to trade my Kel-Tec P32 for a Snake Charmer

Boris Bush · April 25, 2008, 05:27 PM

Rampant_Colt

My snake charmer that I have had for 8 years now is the long gun my wife prefers for home defense when it comes to long guns........ Other than a vermin killer on the farm it doubles as a bi-pedal defense mechanism very well. She can make consistant COM hits to 40 yards easily with Federal 1/4oz slugs and from a bench COM hits are easy out to 80.

I do not know about you, but I for sure don't want to be down range if my wife ever bears down on them sights. She is less foregiving than me and will, how can I put this, bust a cap, much faster than I would.........

mikenbarb · April 26, 2008, 06:59 AM

Broke down and bought it and I actually talked them down to $120.00. Not a scratch on it and it claimed 2 barn pigeons already.

This thing is a blast and my son and daughter ran thru 2 boxes of shells already shooting cans.

Rampant_Colt · April 26, 2008, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Boris Bush

My snake charmer that I have had for 8 years now is the long gun my wife prefers for home defense when it comes to long guns........ Other than a vermin killer on the farm it doubles as a bi-pedal defense mechanism very well. She can make consistant COM hits to 40 yards easily with Federal 1/4oz slugs and from a bench COM hits are easy out to 80.

I do not know about you, but I for sure don't want to be down range if my wife ever bears down on them sights. She is less foregiving than me and will, how can I put this, bust a cap, much faster than I would.........

Those little 88 grain .410 slugs have a hollow base, poor sectional density, and poor penetrating characteristics. There's a whole page on Old Painless' Box o' Truth site that proves this.

A single-shot, break-action, exposed-hammer shotgun isn't a very good choice for home defense.
To each their own...

Boris Bush · April 27, 2008, 12:10 AM

hmmmm

I had to sit here for a little bit and think........... I cann't think of a single round I use in any of my current firearms that I have not killed live animals of similar size to humans............

I have watched 120-150 pound deer gasp for air, and try to get up after being shot with said rounds............

I have read the box o truth a few times and I have yet to see tests on real flesh that was alive before it was shot.

I listened to a local expert at the range rant like a crazed preacher that a 9mm does not travel 100 yards!! Why would he rant like that? Because my buddy just set 5 clays on the 100 yard berm to shoot with his XD9......... While he did not hit all 5 with 5 shots, they were all broken before the mag was empty....

An exposed hammer 7 shot 45 caliber handgun with less ME than my wifes chosen long gun and load is not a good choice. Especialy from what I have seen it do to live animals

Moral of the story, well all of my stories at that, are I kind of take more stock in my own experience than what some truth teller tells what they think might happen to a live animal based on backyard science...............

That and I like laughing at "men" that get out shot by my wife when I take her to the range...............

2Old2Change · May 27, 2008, 10:24 PM

Mine is the "weird" pistol grip style. Originally purchased as a deterrent while driving an over the road semi. Never had to draw it, but it made me feel a lot safer while in the sleeper in some of the East Coast Truckstops.

Bill DeShivs · May 28, 2008, 03:24 AM

Never fire .45 Colt in a .410 shotgun, unless the gun was specifically designed for it!!
Chamber presures are much higher on pistol ammunition than shotgun shells.

stevens double · June 1, 2008, 03:11 PM

Recently I saw a shotgun that looks exactly like the Field Gun you have pictured. I cannot find reference to it anywhere. The one I saw was an H&R Model 099 (not 99) and was stamped MOD on the barrel top at the breech end. Black stock, not a thumbhole, 20 gauge, nickel finish and short barrel with a bead front sight. I have seen reference to Model 99's and Snake Charmers,but not Model 099, or full-stocked, short barreled, Modified choke 20 gauge types like I saw. Can ya help me?

banditt007 · June 6, 2008, 07:21 PM

if .410 is what you are going to use for home defense i would choose nothing other than the 00 or 000 buckshot loads, that a previous poster mentioned that have 3 or 4 pellets in it. maybe a .410 breneke slug if they make it.

Zombie Steve · June 7, 2008, 03:01 PM

A single shot, 67 gauge would not be my first choice, but better than nothing. Find buckshot or some slugs.

chris in va · June 8, 2008, 11:40 AM

I concur, single shot for HD is not something I would want. Reload time is too long.

ban-hater · November 29, 2009, 02:50 PM

Is it possible to mount another stock on one of these and be legal, of course? Who would make a stock that would fit?

TxGun · November 29, 2009, 03:18 PM

Choate makes stocks for the H&R/NEF shotguns. You can replace the snake charmer stock with one of their conventional stocks. You'll need the correct stock bolt.

http://www.riflestock.com/catalog_pa...0&NewProduct=0

olddrum1 · November 29, 2009, 09:53 PM

Not sure if you noticed but this post is a year old. Not that it matters.

April 22, 2008, 08:22 AM	#1
2Old2Change Member Join Date: April 20, 2008 Posts: 61	410 Snake Charmer I have a single shot 410 Snake Charmer, that I purchased many years ago. Thinking of strictly home security, was just thinking it might be a good one to keep handy, with possibly using slugs, or #4's in it? Has anyone ever seen anything larger than #4 shot for them? I realize it'd be a one shot deal, so if it comes to that, would prefer it be a good shot. Thanks for all your help.

April 22, 2008, 11:41 AM	#2
mikenbarb Senior Member Join Date: October 10, 2007 Location: N.J. Posts: 1,111	Shot size Keep in mind that they also make buckshot loads for the .410 and they come in 00 or 000 with 3 or 4 pellets. They arent good for long distance but up close their pretty good. __________________ Mike B. Gun control= Being able to hit your target. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pifinnercircle

April 25, 2008, 06:52 AM	#7
mikenbarb Senior Member Join Date: October 10, 2007 Location: N.J. Posts: 1,111	Snakecharmer I just came across a sweet Snake Charmer at Gander for $139.00 and I think im gonna get for the barn birds. I dont think I could go wrong at that price. __________________ Mike B. Gun control= Being able to hit your target. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pifinnercircle

April 25, 2008, 05:04 PM	#8
Rampant_Colt Senior Member Join Date: March 17, 2006 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 1,478	Home defense? No...[if the bad guy is armed, you're screwed!] Blowing [color=#FF0000]█[/color][color=#FF0000]█[/color][color=#FF0000]█[/color][color=#FF0000]█[/color][color=#FF0000]█[/color] up and breaking hand-tossed clays? Hell yeah! These are hella fun to shoot hand-tossed clays with, except .410 ammo is kinda expensive I'd be willing to trade my Kel-Tec P32 for a Snake Charmer __________________ member of an elite paramilitary organization: Eagle Scouts

April 26, 2008, 06:59 AM	#10
mikenbarb Senior Member Join Date: October 10, 2007 Location: N.J. Posts: 1,111	Broke down and bought it and I actually talked them down to $120.00. Not a scratch on it and it claimed 2 barn pigeons already. This thing is a blast and my son and daughter ran thru 2 boxes of shells already shooting cans. __________________ Mike B. Gun control= Being able to hit your target. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pifinnercircle

April 22, 2008, 04:30 PM	#3
mulletguter59 Member Join Date: March 3, 2008 Location: SE FL Posts: 43	I might get some S for this, but here’s my suggestion besides getting another HD weapon. "45 Colt"

April 22, 2008, 08:29 PM	#4
mikenbarb Senior Member Join Date: October 10, 2007 Location: N.J. Posts: 1,111	Think its .45 long colt. __________________ Mike B. Gun control= Being able to hit your target. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pifinnercircle

April 22, 2008, 11:42 PM	#5
mulletguter59 Member Join Date: March 3, 2008 Location: SE FL Posts: 43	45 Colt, 45 Long Colt to me is 6 of one, half dozen of the other. Other people may differ. Which is it: .45 Long Colt or .45 Colt? http://funarg.nfshost.com/r2/notes/longcolt.html http://www.modelguns.co.uk/images/pcecarts.jpg http://www.municion.org/45colt/RemUmc45ColtFogG.jpg

April 23, 2008, 01:31 AM	#6
rburch Senior Member Join Date: July 15, 2007 Location: Blacksburg VA Posts: 750	I've had one for a few years, but never really thought of it for defense. I did shoot a trap course with mine once, but that's a different story. Is yours the shoulder stock or the weird pistol version? Mine's the pistol version. In any case just get some buckshot rounds for it, they'll do the job in the case of a single intruder situation. I'd still have another weapon close by in case of multiple attackers, trying to reload those things quickly isn't easy.

April 25, 2008, 05:27 PM	#9
Boris Bush Junior member Join Date: September 7, 2007 Posts: 921	Rampant_Colt My snake charmer that I have had for 8 years now is the long gun my wife prefers for home defense when it comes to long guns........ Other than a vermin killer on the farm it doubles as a bi-pedal defense mechanism very well. She can make consistant COM hits to 40 yards easily with Federal 1/4oz slugs and from a bench COM hits are easy out to 80. I do not know about you, but I for sure don't want to be down range if my wife ever bears down on them sights. She is less foregiving than me and will, how can I put this, bust a cap, much faster than I would.........

April 27, 2008, 12:10 AM	#12
Boris Bush Junior member Join Date: September 7, 2007 Posts: 921	hmmmm I had to sit here for a little bit and think........... I cann't think of a single round I use in any of my current firearms that I have not killed live animals of similar size to humans............ I have watched 120-150 pound deer gasp for air, and try to get up after being shot with said rounds............ I have read the box o truth a few times and I have yet to see tests on real flesh that was alive before it was shot. I listened to a local expert at the range rant like a crazed preacher that a 9mm does not travel 100 yards!! Why would he rant like that? Because my buddy just set 5 clays on the 100 yard berm to shoot with his XD9......... While he did not hit all 5 with 5 shots, they were all broken before the mag was empty.... An exposed hammer 7 shot 45 caliber handgun with less ME than my wifes chosen long gun and load is not a good choice. Especialy from what I have seen it do to live animals Moral of the story, well all of my stories at that, are I kind of take more stock in my own experience than what some truth teller tells what they think might happen to a live animal based on backyard science............... That and I like laughing at "men" that get out shot by my wife when I take her to the range...............

May 27, 2008, 10:24 PM	#13
2Old2Change Member Join Date: April 20, 2008 Posts: 61	Mine is the "weird" pistol grip style. Originally purchased as a deterrent while driving an over the road semi. Never had to draw it, but it made me feel a lot safer while in the sleeper in some of the East Coast Truckstops.

May 28, 2008, 03:24 AM	#14
Bill DeShivs Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2006 Posts: 10,985	Never fire .45 Colt in a .410 shotgun, unless the gun was specifically designed for it!! Chamber presures are much higher on pistol ammunition than shotgun shells. __________________ Bill DeShivs, Master Cutler www.billdeshivs.com

June 1, 2008, 03:11 PM	#15
stevens double Junior Member Join Date: June 1, 2008 Posts: 1	Reply to rburch Recently I saw a shotgun that looks exactly like the Field Gun you have pictured. I cannot find reference to it anywhere. The one I saw was an H&R Model 099 (not 99) and was stamped MOD on the barrel top at the breech end. Black stock, not a thumbhole, 20 gauge, nickel finish and short barrel with a bead front sight. I have seen reference to Model 99's and Snake Charmers,but not Model 099, or full-stocked, short barreled, Modified choke 20 gauge types like I saw. Can ya help me? Last edited by stevens double; June 3, 2008 at 09:11 PM.

June 6, 2008, 07:21 PM	#16
banditt007 Senior Member Join Date: March 19, 2006 Posts: 694	if .410 is what you are going to use for home defense i would choose nothing other than the 00 or 000 buckshot loads, that a previous poster mentioned that have 3 or 4 pellets in it. maybe a .410 breneke slug if they make it.

June 7, 2008, 03:01 PM	#17
Zombie Steve Senior Member Join Date: June 3, 2007 Location: Old Colorado City Posts: 527	A single shot, 67 gauge would not be my first choice, but better than nothing. Find buckshot or some slugs.

June 8, 2008, 11:40 AM	#18
chris in va Senior Member Join Date: December 26, 2004 Location: Louisville KY Posts: 13,806	I concur, single shot for HD is not something I would want. Reload time is too long.

November 29, 2009, 02:50 PM	#19
ban-hater Member Join Date: April 4, 2008 Posts: 31	Is it possible to mount another stock on one of these and be legal, of course? Who would make a stock that would fit?

November 29, 2009, 03:18 PM	#20
TxGun Senior Member Join Date: April 14, 2008 Location: Family ranch - Central TX. Posts: 467	Choate makes stocks for the H&R/NEF shotguns. You can replace the snake charmer stock with one of their conventional stocks. You'll need the correct stock bolt. http://www.riflestock.com/catalog_pa...0&NewProduct=0

November 29, 2009, 09:53 PM	#21
olddrum1 Senior Member Join Date: March 23, 2008 Location: Mid Missouri Posts: 807	Not sure if you noticed but this post is a year old. Not that it matters.