model 11 question

goste · June 22, 2006, 06:33 PM

Hey all,

I was hoping one of you experts, could answer a longtime question I have. I own 3 Rem. model 11's, and two Browning A5's. Needless to say, I like them.

One of the model 11's, was bought new by my grandfather. I don't know how old it is, but he passed away in 1934. It was given to me, out of the clear blue, by my older brother. I never had a clue. he recived it from my father, about the time I was born. I never knew about it.

Anyway, This one, and one more, has the sliding safety, in the trigger guard. My patrol gun,(I'm a LEO), has a crossbolt safety (?), like a modern 870.

Can anyone tell me about what time they changed safety's?

thank's..... Caspar

goste · June 24, 2006, 09:45 PM

Anyone??????

Dave McC · June 25, 2006, 08:23 AM

IRCC, the safety changed in the 30s.

If you call Remington at 800-243-9700 and give them the serial number, they will tell you the year it was made.

HTH....

Jeff Mulliken · July 13, 2006, 03:27 PM

Browning changed the A5 to a cross bolt safety in late 1951.

I have never seen a Rem Model 11 with a "front of the trigger guard" safety.

Jeff

warwagon · July 13, 2006, 11:24 PM

My dad had one with the trigger guard safety, but it was stolen from him years ago. As I recall, they were similar to the garand safety, and always seemed to make sense to me, as you can cary the gun strong hand ,holding the trigger finger in front of the guard, ensuring that the safety is on. When ready to fire, simply push forward.

Jeff Mulliken · July 16, 2006, 02:53 PM

It sounds like a good idea till you have to use one, especially with gloves. putting your finger in the trigger guard to take off the safety goes against my instincts. Though I have several of each kind I prefer the cross bolt or a thumb (tang) safety to the trigger guard safety. Browning must have agreed.

Jeff

farmall · July 16, 2006, 05:37 PM

My trap gun is a Model 11 that was made in 1923. It also has the safety inside the trigger guard. Kinda scary too IMO! It is handy there, but too easy to have an AD with. IIRC (as a trap gun I never use the safety) it works backwards of the way I think it should.
Andy

Jeff Mulliken · July 16, 2006, 08:08 PM

It sounds like your talking about the earliest safety in the Browning patent autoloaders, which was in the trigger area and stuck down from above. It is the one referred to on occasion as the suicide safety, the one I'f referring to was produced later and stuck inside the trigger guard when safe and outside (to the front) when not safe...

I don't feel the urge to own the suicide model...

Jeff

goste · July 16, 2006, 10:45 PM

Thanks for the info. guy's.

I guess my two would be the "suicide safety". I didn't know they had a third type.(Garand style).

I also agree with Jeff...... A safety inside the trigger guard is a bad idea.

I saw a guy discharge a lee-enfield on the range, by missing the mag lever, and mashing the trigger.....

Gewehr98 · July 27, 2006, 09:34 PM

Quote:

I don't feel the urge to own the suicide model.

Since it's rather hard for me to get the muzzle anywhere near my body when my finger's in the trigger guard, anyway. Big toe, maybe, but it wouldn't be my first choice for that particular task.

Here's the safety on mine:

papajohn · July 30, 2006, 03:39 PM

My model 11 was manufactured in 1913. It has the safety inside the trigger guard and in front of the trigger. It was replaced in 1928 by a cross bolt safety, also inside the trigger guard but behind the trigger.

June 22, 2006, 06:33 PM	#1
goste Member Join Date: December 14, 2004 Posts: 71	model 11 question Hey all, I was hoping one of you experts, could answer a longtime question I have. I own 3 Rem. model 11's, and two Browning A5's. Needless to say, I like them. One of the model 11's, was bought new by my grandfather. I don't know how old it is, but he passed away in 1934. It was given to me, out of the clear blue, by my older brother. I never had a clue. he recived it from my father, about the time I was born. I never knew about it. Anyway, This one, and one more, has the sliding safety, in the trigger guard. My patrol gun,(I'm a LEO), has a crossbolt safety (?), like a modern 870. Can anyone tell me about what time they changed safety's? thank's..... Caspar

July 30, 2006, 03:39 PM	#11
papajohn Junior Member Join Date: January 23, 2006 Posts: 8	model 11 question My model 11 was manufactured in 1913. It has the safety inside the trigger guard and in front of the trigger. It was replaced in 1928 by a cross bolt safety, also inside the trigger guard but behind the trigger.

June 24, 2006, 09:45 PM	#2
goste Member Join Date: December 14, 2004 Posts: 71	Anyone??????

June 25, 2006, 08:23 AM	#3
Dave McC Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 13, 1999 Location: Columbia, Md, USA Posts: 8,811	IRCC, the safety changed in the 30s. If you call Remington at 800-243-9700 and give them the serial number, they will tell you the year it was made. HTH....

July 13, 2006, 03:27 PM	#4
Jeff Mulliken Senior Member Join Date: July 13, 2006 Location: Maryland Posts: 250	Browning changed the A5 to a cross bolt safety in late 1951. I have never seen a Rem Model 11 with a "front of the trigger guard" safety. Jeff

July 13, 2006, 11:24 PM	#5
warwagon Senior Member Join Date: November 7, 2005 Location: Dayton Oh Posts: 341	My dad had one with the trigger guard safety, but it was stolen from him years ago. As I recall, they were similar to the garand safety, and always seemed to make sense to me, as you can cary the gun strong hand ,holding the trigger finger in front of the guard, ensuring that the safety is on. When ready to fire, simply push forward.

July 16, 2006, 02:53 PM	#6
Jeff Mulliken Senior Member Join Date: July 13, 2006 Location: Maryland Posts: 250	It sounds like a good idea till you have to use one, especially with gloves. putting your finger in the trigger guard to take off the safety goes against my instincts. Though I have several of each kind I prefer the cross bolt or a thumb (tang) safety to the trigger guard safety. Browning must have agreed. Jeff

July 16, 2006, 05:37 PM	#7
farmall Senior Member Join Date: December 7, 2004 Location: Beatrice Nebraska Posts: 613	My trap gun is a Model 11 that was made in 1923. It also has the safety inside the trigger guard. Kinda scary too IMO! It is handy there, but too easy to have an AD with. IIRC (as a trap gun I never use the safety) it works backwards of the way I think it should. Andy

July 16, 2006, 08:08 PM	#8
Jeff Mulliken Senior Member Join Date: July 13, 2006 Location: Maryland Posts: 250	It sounds like your talking about the earliest safety in the Browning patent autoloaders, which was in the trigger area and stuck down from above. It is the one referred to on occasion as the suicide safety, the one I'f referring to was produced later and stuck inside the trigger guard when safe and outside (to the front) when not safe... I don't feel the urge to own the suicide model... Jeff

July 16, 2006, 10:45 PM	#9
goste Member Join Date: December 14, 2004 Posts: 71	Thanks for the info. guy's. I guess my two would be the "suicide safety". I didn't know they had a third type.(Garand style). I also agree with Jeff...... A safety inside the trigger guard is a bad idea. I saw a guy discharge a lee-enfield on the range, by missing the mag lever, and mashing the trigger.....