slug gun for defense?

youngun · August 24, 2002, 11:34 PM

Is this incommodious?
(Apologies to all retarded people out there.)

Seems like a suitably loaded slug that could put a monster hole in a torso at short ranges (>100') without then putting holes through three walls and a couple cars might be a pretty good thing.

Are there tactical slugs for rifled barrels?
Say, 400 grains at 800 fps?

youngun

Bruce626 · August 25, 2002, 01:55 AM

OK, ignoring the "retarded" part...

Why would you want to use slugs inside your house?

If you have vast distances between you and neighbors, and plan to shoot the bad guys at 50 yds, maybe.

If you are saying why not shotgun slugs vs some high powered .308 FMJ or whatever the rifle guys drool over, yeah maybe a slug is less penatrative (which is why some gummints limit deer hunting to slugs rather than hp rifles.)

Do a search here and you'll be amazed at the amount of info related to home defense ammo.

Home defense ranges for most of us tend to be rather short and thus some sort of birdshot or even buckshot makes way more sense than slugs.

When I need to shoot slugs at the range I use the Remington Reduced Recoil slug which works well for me in my SG at out to 115 yards or so.

Mannlicher · August 25, 2002, 09:43 AM

youngun, that is a good question, but you should disabuse yourself of the thought that slugs will not penetrate walls. A 12 mag slug may well go clean through a house, wall by wall.

In my Remington WingMaster, I usually load buck, slug, buck, slug. With my Mossberg, I load with buck, and keep the slugs on the shell holders in the stock.

Zorro · August 25, 2002, 02:30 PM

Will go thru the house......and the pickup truck.....And still blow right on thru a Labrador Retriver.

Bad load for in house defense.

youngun · August 25, 2002, 03:00 PM

Well, yeah, I hear it will go through any number of barriers.
I guess I'm aksing if it could be loaded down to a more apropriate level, so as to maybe only go through one bad guy and half a wall, say.

As to why, well, I'm just thinking about the hole size.

CWL · August 25, 2002, 05:32 PM

#4, OO or even OOO buck will make a bigger mess than a single slug if all you want is a monster-sized hole.

Go read quadoughtbuck's testing of Estate SWAT OO buck if you want a 7"X7" spread @ 29yds. That ought to be a big enough area of damage for you.

DML · August 25, 2002, 05:36 PM

Brenneke makes a reduced recoil slug that was intended for police use. The Brenneke rep. told me that the standard 1 oz. slug would go through one side of a car, both people in the front seat and out the other side. I had a case of this stuff and it was very pleasent to shoot. It still had way to much penetration for home defense use. I was testing various buck shot loads for penetration on a foot and a half bale of newspaper. Most 00 would penetrate 4 to 5 inches. I had one of these low recoil slugs with me and tried it on the bail. Dang! I spent the next hour picking up small shredds of paper. The slug went all the way through and blew the back out of the bail. The testing was at 50 feet.

C.R.Sam · August 25, 2002, 05:55 PM

At close (in house) range, bout anything will makej one big hole. With shot or buck, the penetration capability drops off pretty fast. With slug....you do get a lot of penetration, even with reduced loads.

Would work fine as long as you know what is beyond your target. Just like any .73 caliber rifle.

Sam

KSFreeman · August 25, 2002, 06:24 PM

Inside the house, the shotgun IS a rifle.

Are you inquiring of those compressed zinc loads for the Dreaded Demons Darkness for blowing door hinges???

August 24, 2002, 11:34 PM	#1
youngun Senior Member Join Date: June 8, 2001 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 324	slug gun for defense? Is this incommodious? (Apologies to all retarded people out there.) Seems like a suitably loaded slug that could put a monster hole in a torso at short ranges (>100') without then putting holes through three walls and a couple cars might be a pretty good thing. Are there tactical slugs for rifled barrels? Say, 400 grains at 800 fps? youngun __________________ New firing pin: $12. New extractor: $15. Ballistic fingerprinting: worthless. Last edited by youngun; August 25, 2002 at 03:06 PM.

August 25, 2002, 09:43 AM	#3
Mannlicher Senior Member Join Date: July 8, 2001 Location: North Central Florida & Miami Posts: 3,209	youngun, that is a good question, but you should disabuse yourself of the thought that slugs will not penetrate walls. A 12 mag slug may well go clean through a house, wall by wall. In my Remington WingMaster, I usually load buck, slug, buck, slug. With my Mossberg, I load with buck, and keep the slugs on the shell holders in the stock. __________________ Nemo Me Impune Lacesset "The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so.".........Ronald Reagan

August 25, 2002, 03:00 PM	#5
youngun Senior Member Join Date: June 8, 2001 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 324	Well, yeah, I hear it will go through any number of barriers. I guess I'm aksing if it could be loaded down to a more apropriate level, so as to maybe only go through one bad guy and half a wall, say. As to why, well, I'm just thinking about the hole size. __________________ New firing pin: $12. New extractor: $15. Ballistic fingerprinting: worthless.

August 25, 2002, 05:36 PM	#7
DML Senior Member Join Date: November 24, 2000 Location: Aridzona Posts: 257	Brenneke makes a reduced recoil slug that was intended for police use. The Brenneke rep. told me that the standard 1 oz. slug would go through one side of a car, both people in the front seat and out the other side. I had a case of this stuff and it was very pleasent to shoot. It still had way to much penetration for home defense use. I was testing various buck shot loads for penetration on a foot and a half bale of newspaper. Most 00 would penetrate 4 to 5 inches. I had one of these low recoil slugs with me and tried it on the bail. Dang! I spent the next hour picking up small shredds of paper. The slug went all the way through and blew the back out of the bail. The testing was at 50 feet. __________________ Experience is what you get when you were expecting something else.

August 25, 2002, 06:24 PM	#9
KSFreeman Senior Member Join Date: June 9, 2001 Location: Lafayette, Indiana--American-occupied America Posts: 5,418	Inside the house, the shotgun IS a rifle. Are you inquiring of those compressed zinc loads for the Dreaded Demons Darkness for blowing door hinges??? __________________ "Arguments of policy must give way to a constitutional command." Payton v. New York, 445 U.S. 573, 602 (1980).

August 25, 2002, 01:55 AM	#2
Bruce626 Senior Member Join Date: June 26, 2002 Location: Handgun-Free Chicago thanks to Gun-grabber Daley Posts: 167	OK, ignoring the "retarded" part... Why would you want to use slugs inside your house? If you have vast distances between you and neighbors, and plan to shoot the bad guys at 50 yds, maybe. If you are saying why not shotgun slugs vs some high powered .308 FMJ or whatever the rifle guys drool over, yeah maybe a slug is less penatrative (which is why some gummints limit deer hunting to slugs rather than hp rifles.) Do a search here and you'll be amazed at the amount of info related to home defense ammo. Home defense ranges for most of us tend to be rather short and thus some sort of birdshot or even buckshot makes way more sense than slugs. When I need to shoot slugs at the range I use the Remington Reduced Recoil slug which works well for me in my SG at out to 115 yards or so.

August 25, 2002, 02:30 PM	#4
Zorro Senior Member Join Date: October 28, 2000 Posts: 1,072	Will go thru the house......and the pickup truck.....And still blow right on thru a Labrador Retriver. Bad load for in house defense.

August 25, 2002, 05:32 PM	#6
CWL Senior Member Join Date: May 23, 2001 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 1,576	#4, OO or even OOO buck will make a bigger mess than a single slug if all you want is a monster-sized hole. Go read quadoughtbuck's testing of Estate SWAT OO buck if you want a 7"X7" spread @ 29yds. That ought to be a big enough area of damage for you.

August 25, 2002, 05:55 PM	#8
C.R.Sam Senior Member Join Date: October 29, 1999 Location: Dewey, AZ Posts: 12,858	At close (in house) range, bout anything will makej one big hole. With shot or buck, the penetration capability drops off pretty fast. With slug....you do get a lot of penetration, even with reduced loads. Would work fine as long as you know what is beyond your target. Just like any .73 caliber rifle. Sam