CVA's burning up some Blackhorn

FrontierGander · July 24, 2010, 03:35 PM

This morning all Three of us went out it was cloudy and cold. Only 62* and very little wind. I decided that we should try going up to 100gr Blackhorn209 in the rifles and see how they did with the 300gr Powerbelt Platinums. Boy am i glad we did so!

All the shooting is from 100 yards.

Dad with his Apex,

Brothers Accura V2

With the light wind that was there, it was blowing in our face and my eyes dont do well with it and kept drying up. My Optima did okay but my vision was just to blurry to waste any more lead and powder on so i grabbed my Accura and shot 100gr Blackhorn209 with the 295gr Powerbelts. I should have stopped at 3 but i wanted to see what 5 shots did. Guess which shots were the first 3 :wall:

Great day of shooting, but now its time to straighten up the supplies, wash up and enjoy the rest of the day easily.

olyinaz · July 24, 2010, 04:26 PM

Some great groups! Do you like the Blackhorn in general?

Thanks,
Oly

FrontierGander · July 24, 2010, 04:41 PM

i LOVE it! Its simply the best powder there is. I ordered a couple of the Mag spark 209 adapters for the sidelocks so we can shoot it in them as well.

simonkenton · July 24, 2010, 08:26 PM

Your dad and brother are too high to go hunting, but, otherwise good groups.

You are ready to slay the 8 pointer 7 days of the week!

olyinaz · July 25, 2010, 08:29 PM

Thanks for the report!

Oly

EdInk · July 25, 2010, 10:11 PM

62 degrees in July! That's even nicer than your grouping. Which isn't too shabby either. I'm okay without your winter weather but I'd be thrilled to get a day below 90 in July.

shortwave · July 26, 2010, 04:20 AM

If you all shot Powerbelts, you guys are lucky to get all three rifle's to shoot them well. A few of mine shoot them well a few don't. Course, non of mine are CVA's either.

Does anyone out there own a CVA that doesn't shoot Powerbelts well?

Nice groups!

doofus47 · August 4, 2010, 10:19 AM

My Thompson Omega z5 likes 290 gr powerbelts and 90 or 95 grains of blackhorn 209 (depending how much I spill... :-) )
I got mediocre results from the Hornady all-copper, no skirt bullet, but it was 350 gr with 100gr of Blackhorn. I might have been flinching, though; that combo was a little thumper.

Pahoo · August 4, 2010, 10:57 AM

One more thank you, for your report. I have been hearing good reports about the performance of BlackHorn-209 and even better about the WhiteHots. At this point, the only thing white that I will put down my barrel, is a patch. ..

Can you give us more detail on any fouling and clean-up?

Be Safe !!!

Rifleman1776 · August 4, 2010, 11:03 AM

It shoots well no denying that.
But, as a stubborn old traditionalist who still thinks flintlocks are the only way to go, I have to wonder about these bubble wrapped things from Wal-Mart and wonder....why?
Why not just use a 30-06?
I know, most states allow those to extend the hunting season. Personally, I wish the game departments would just extend and/or combine the seasons so one could shoot whatever rifle he wants.
I miss the old days when the muzzle loading seasons were low impact, low pressure, quiet hunts.

doofus47 · August 4, 2010, 11:29 AM

Quote:

Can you give us more detail on any fouling and clean-up?

I have very little fouling. I don't shoot 20 rounds at a go, usually, though.
I clean up with a few passes of a .50 bore snake. Mirror bright still.

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flintlocks are the only way to go

maybe. I can't b/c I'm just not that coordinated...

FrontierGander · August 4, 2010, 03:22 PM

When you shoot over 4,000 rounds of Powerbelts a year, add Blackhorn209 into the mix, its easy to get a CVA muzzleloader shootin good.

Clean up, Some Hoppes #9 or Blackhorn209 Solvent does the trick. If you want to make things even easier, Coat the inside of the frame with Ultra Gun Shield. The bore can be coated with Ultra bore coat. Using these 2 products, clean up is super easy, just a windex wipe and you're done. No scrubbing or anything.

A matchlock shooter would say to a flintlock shooter... Why not just use a 30-06?

And a funny thought just passed me! LOL, The Apex did come with an '06 barrel!

davem · August 5, 2010, 12:06 AM

Are scopes okay in Colorado? On the powerbelts, I think about a year ago you said the main reason most folks have trouble with accuracy is because they are using TOO MUCH powder, that you are better off with a more moderate load- like 90 grains. Still true?

FrontierGander · August 5, 2010, 12:22 AM

Its not so much accuracy but for performance/penetration, so yes still true.

That scope is on the 30-06 barrel.

doofus47 · August 5, 2010, 02:27 PM

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Are scopes okay in Colorado?

Not for blackpowder; nor are sabots.

edit: don't get me started...

July 24, 2010, 03:35 PM	#1
FrontierGander Senior Member Join Date: January 30, 2009 Location: Boncarbo,Colorado Posts: 651	CVA's burning up some Blackhorn This morning all Three of us went out it was cloudy and cold. Only 62* and very little wind. I decided that we should try going up to 100gr Blackhorn209 in the rifles and see how they did with the 300gr Powerbelt Platinums. Boy am i glad we did so! All the shooting is from 100 yards. Dad with his Apex, Brothers Accura V2 With the light wind that was there, it was blowing in our face and my eyes dont do well with it and kept drying up. My Optima did okay but my vision was just to blurry to waste any more lead and powder on so i grabbed my Accura and shot 100gr Blackhorn209 with the 295gr Powerbelts. I should have stopped at 3 but i wanted to see what 5 shots did. Guess which shots were the first 3 :wall: Great day of shooting, but now its time to straighten up the supplies, wash up and enjoy the rest of the day easily. __________________ https://buckskinsbp.blogspot.com/

July 24, 2010, 04:41 PM	#3
FrontierGander Senior Member Join Date: January 30, 2009 Location: Boncarbo,Colorado Posts: 651	i LOVE it! Its simply the best powder there is. I ordered a couple of the Mag spark 209 adapters for the sidelocks so we can shoot it in them as well. __________________ https://buckskinsbp.blogspot.com/

July 25, 2010, 10:11 PM	#6
EdInk Senior Member Join Date: May 27, 2009 Posts: 3,968	62 degrees in July! That's even nicer than your grouping. Which isn't too shabby either. I'm okay without your winter weather but I'd be thrilled to get a day below 90 in July. __________________ Sic Semper Tyrannis

July 26, 2010, 04:20 AM	#7
shortwave Senior Member Join Date: December 17, 2007 Location: SOUTHEAST, OHIO Posts: 5,970	If you all shot Powerbelts, you guys are lucky to get all three rifle's to shoot them well. A few of mine shoot them well a few don't. Course, non of mine are CVA's either. Does anyone out there own a CVA that doesn't shoot Powerbelts well? Nice groups! Last edited by shortwave; July 26, 2010 at 05:37 AM.

August 4, 2010, 03:22 PM	#12
FrontierGander Senior Member Join Date: January 30, 2009 Location: Boncarbo,Colorado Posts: 651	When you shoot over 4,000 rounds of Powerbelts a year, add Blackhorn209 into the mix, its easy to get a CVA muzzleloader shootin good. Clean up, Some Hoppes #9 or Blackhorn209 Solvent does the trick. If you want to make things even easier, Coat the inside of the frame with Ultra Gun Shield. The bore can be coated with Ultra bore coat. Using these 2 products, clean up is super easy, just a windex wipe and you're done. No scrubbing or anything. A matchlock shooter would say to a flintlock shooter... Why not just use a 30-06? And a funny thought just passed me! LOL, The Apex did come with an '06 barrel! __________________ https://buckskinsbp.blogspot.com/

July 24, 2010, 04:26 PM	#2
olyinaz Senior Member Join Date: February 24, 2009 Location: Arizona Posts: 877	Some great groups! Do you like the Blackhorn in general? Thanks, Oly

July 24, 2010, 08:26 PM	#4
simonkenton Senior Member Join Date: April 25, 2008 Posts: 891	Your dad and brother are too high to go hunting, but, otherwise good groups. You are ready to slay the 8 pointer 7 days of the week!

July 25, 2010, 08:29 PM	#5
olyinaz Senior Member Join Date: February 24, 2009 Location: Arizona Posts: 877	Thanks for the report! Oly

August 4, 2010, 10:19 AM	#8
doofus47 Senior Member Join Date: June 9, 2010 Location: live in a in a house when i'm not in a tent Posts: 2,483	My Thompson Omega z5 likes 290 gr powerbelts and 90 or 95 grains of blackhorn 209 (depending how much I spill... :-) ) I got mediocre results from the Hornady all-copper, no skirt bullet, but it was 350 gr with 100gr of Blackhorn. I might have been flinching, though; that combo was a little thumper.

August 4, 2010, 10:57 AM	#9
Pahoo Senior Member Join Date: February 16, 2006 Location: IOWA Posts: 8,783	One more thank you, for your report. I have been hearing good reports about the performance of BlackHorn-209 and even better about the WhiteHots. At this point, the only thing white that I will put down my barrel, is a patch. .. Can you give us more detail on any fouling and clean-up? Be Safe !!! Last edited by Pahoo; August 4, 2010 at 11:20 AM.

August 4, 2010, 11:03 AM	#10
Rifleman1776 Senior Member Join Date: April 25, 2010 Location: Arkansas Posts: 3,309	It shoots well no denying that. But, as a stubborn old traditionalist who still thinks flintlocks are the only way to go, I have to wonder about these bubble wrapped things from Wal-Mart and wonder....why? Why not just use a 30-06? I know, most states allow those to extend the hunting season. Personally, I wish the game departments would just extend and/or combine the seasons so one could shoot whatever rifle he wants. I miss the old days when the muzzle loading seasons were low impact, low pressure, quiet hunts.

August 5, 2010, 12:06 AM	#13
davem Junior member Join Date: October 4, 2004 Posts: 458	Are scopes okay in Colorado? On the powerbelts, I think about a year ago you said the main reason most folks have trouble with accuracy is because they are using TOO MUCH powder, that you are better off with a more moderate load- like 90 grains. Still true?

August 5, 2010, 12:22 AM	#14
FrontierGander Senior Member Join Date: January 30, 2009 Location: Boncarbo,Colorado Posts: 651	Its not so much accuracy but for performance/penetration, so yes still true. That scope is on the 30-06 barrel. __________________ https://buckskinsbp.blogspot.com/