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That is exactly how our various state drivers licenses came to be accepted/recognized by all the other states. Reciprocity agreements were executed and signed by all the states to recognize all the other states. The Feds were never involved in these agreements. It was and is, solely a State action. Nota Bene: The Feds became involved (REAL ID) in this, only because the drivers license became the de facto means of identification across state lines, thereby becoming a commerce clause issue. This exactly how CCW/LTC is handled today. They are state actions of reciprocity. Marriage is a horse of a different color. The issued "license" is a state action but does not confer marriage upon a couple. That is a judicial act/decree and the reason it requires a court to dissolve the marriage (divorce). The various states have carved out (in specific legislative acts) exceptions as to who may perform the marriage, but the marriage is of and in itself a judicial act. That (judicial acts) is what the "Full Faith and Credit" clause of the Constitution (Art IV, section 1) protects. |
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Consequently, if a state enacts (as a "public act" of its legislature) a law that says anyone over the age of 21 who is not a convicted felon can own and carry a gun, that's clearly a public act. The issuance of a carry permit pursuant to such law is an administrative procedure that simply carries out the mandate of the public act. That seems to be where the debate on reciprocal recognition of carry permits lies: is the permit a "public act," or is it something less (an administrative procedure)? The following comes from The Free Dictionary and thus is hardly a legally definitive analysis, but it supports the concept that Article IV Section 1 applies to more than just court decisions: http://legal-dictionary.thefreedicti...+Credit+Clause Quote:
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I foresee that this process would not be so difficult as to invite court challenges; it would be just difficult enough to discourage casual LTC holders from traveling to the state on a whim. ("Please mail notarized forms in triplicate to state police headquarters at the address below. Initial application must be accompanied by a clear 3"x5" color photo of each side of firearm(s), a copy of valid government-issued photo ID, and a check or money order for the $15 processing fee. No semi-automatic firearm(s) with the capability to accept a magazine with a capacity in excess of 10 rounds, a magazine forward of the trigger guard, a threaded barrel, and/or a flash hider may be registered. Please allow 45-60 days for processing...")
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Is it the "...not provided for by this section" part? Because that part I completely don't understand. Sorry to bug you I'm just trying to get my head around all this! |
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From the hypothetical "Concealed Handgun Safety and Theft Prevention Act of 2017": Quote:
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Thanks for the explanation, carguychris.
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IOW section (b)(2) in the proposed reciprocity bill provides states with a loophole large enough to drive a train or fly a 747 through.
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And that's ALL that meant. Last edited by Aguila Blanca; January 18, 2017 at 09:33 AM. Reason: Edited to insert important "noy" |
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Then why even mention them?
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In the FWIW file, here's a good read on the Constitutional authority for national reciprocity laws:
http://www.pagunblog.com/2017/01/16/...l-reciprocity/ For those leery of the precedent of the Feds interfering with the states, Sebastian points out that that horse has pretty well left the barn!
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