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Big 2A Win in CA!
A big win for California!
By Associated Press | August 14, 2020 at 1:43 PM EDT - Updated August 14 at 4:01 PM SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) — A three-judge panel of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals on Friday threw out California's ban on high-capacity ammunition magazines, saying the law violates the U.S. Constitution's protection of the right to bear firearms. https://www.wbtv.com/2020/08/14/th-c...ity-magazines/ |
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Don’t worry, the 9th circuit will likely stay that over the weekend using the theory of bovinesus excretas.
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Temporary Reprieve
This is a win but the illness is still there with Liberal Politicians there still wanting to destroy the 2A, Liberals voting to support them, and Liberals moving from these California and infecting Texas like a cancer.
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We'll have to wait and see. Most likely, the state will ask the 9th Circuit for an en banc hearing, and then they'll overturn this. Since SCOTUS seems utterly disinterested in hearing 2nd Amendment litigation, the book gets closed on the matter.
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The makeup of the Ninth Circuit has changed quite a bit since 2016. An en banc hearing is by no means a sure thing for either side these days.
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I have a question , Is the stay still in effect ?
There seems to be some debate over this and I was told on another forum that the DOJ has sent out a letter saying the stay is still in effect . However the stay was supposed to be in effect until a ruling on appeal which has happened . I then read this on another forum Quote:
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The key phrase in the stay order is “pending final resolution”. The decision really isn't final until all possibilities for further appeal (e. g., en banc hearing, Supreme Court review, etc.) have been exhausted.
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Ok thanks , it appears not even the smartest people in the room are sure and are recommending caution when moving forward. I do know there are several out of state vendors now shipping to CA .
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I’m hoping for a second Trump turn that sees the entire 9th circuit replaced with judges from Oklahoma, Idaho, Montana and West Texas.
(Can’t I dream a bit)
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Good to see some fellow Californians here. I live in Redwood City. Frank, do you know if the Golden Gate NRA Members Council is still active?
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The National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF) agrees with Frank. Froma recent e-mail blast:
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Very nice. Thanks Aguila..
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A federal appellate court will normally issue a "mandate" to indicate a decision is final and enforceable.
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What would be a "normal" timeline to finalize or for the state to seek an en banc?
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https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.ne...pdf?1597420688 The district court's decision included a stay. The appelate panel didn't lift the stay in its decision.
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AB --- The district court's stay would end once the Court of Appeals issues a mandate under Federal Rule of Appellate Procedure 41. That would be 7 days after the time for filing a petition for rehearing or denial of rehearing or denial of a motion to stay the mandate in the Circuit Court of Appeals. The appellate court can stay the mandate for up to 90 days pending a cert petition and can extend it further for "good cause" or other specified reasons.
The appellate court does not have to specifically lift the district court's stay since it upheld the district court's summary judgment and there appears nothing left for the district court to do as things now stand. Of course, there will likely be a petition for rehearing and maybe later a cert petition. So, it could be awhile before a mandate is actually issued. One caveat: I have not looked at the 9th Circuit rules so there could be some variation from the above, though it should not be substantial. |
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I'd just like to thank the folk that take the time and effort to dig into these things, use their knowledge and experience in these things and give us a concise, understandable explanation of these things.
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Here's a brief summary of FAQ:
1. What did the Ninth Circuit three-judge panel hold? The Ninth Circuit held that the entirety of California Penal Code section 32310 is unconstitutional under the Second Amendment. The ruling affirms the 2019 order of the Honorable Judge Roger Benitez of the United States District Court for the Southern District of California. 2. What does it mean that the Ninth Circuit applied strict scrutiny in this case? When courts review constitutional challenges to government action, they can apply one of various levels of review. Three of the most commonly levels of review, called levels of “scrutiny,” are rational basis, intermediate scrutiny, and strict scrutiny. Whether a law will be upheld as constitutional can depend heavily on which level of scrutiny is applied to evaluate the constitutionality of a law ... What makes the Duncan ruling so important is that it marks one of the few times strict scrutiny has been explicitly applied in a Second Amendment case. While CRPA is thrilled that this decision struck the ban on magazines over 10 rounds, the court’s application of strict scrutiny is also great news for current and future Second Amendment cases in California. This precedent will no doubt help CRPA in its challenges to numerous other infringements the state has imposed on the right to bear arms. 3. What did the Ninth Circuit say about the use of intermediate scrutiny? Since the Heller and McDonald decisions, CRPA has been disappointed to see courts apply intermediate scrutiny in name only ... the Ninth Circuit finally gave us the fair analysis we’ve been waiting for. While the panel found that strict scrutiny applies, it also conducted a review of California’s magazine ban under intermediate scrutiny and found that it would not survive that more permissive standard either. According to the court, the statute was simply not a reasonable fit to the important public safety interests that it was enacted to serve. As the court writes, “[w]hile the precise contours of intermediate scrutiny may vary, this much is certain: It has bite. It is a demanding test.” And, in what appears to be a clear criticism of the bad-faith review of other circuits, the court states that “intermediate scrutiny cannot approximate the deference of rational basis review.” 4. Does this mean that it is now lawful to own or possess magazines over 10 rounds in California? YES! 5. Can I start buying or selling magazines over 10 rounds in California today? NO! 6. Can I use magazines over 10 rounds that I lawfully acquired at a shooting range? YES! 7. Can I carry the magazines I lawfully acquired with a firearm pursuant to a carry license? YES! 8. I own magazines over 10 rounds that are currently out of state, can I bring them back to California now? NO! 9. Can I travel outside of California with magazines over 10 rounds that I lawfully acquired and then bring them back into California? NO! 10. What are the penalties for violating California’s magazine restrictions? Anyone who “manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the state, keeps for sale, or offers or exposes for sale, or who gives, lends, buys, or receives any large-capacity magazines” can be charged with either a misdemeanor punishable by up to a year imprisonment or felony punishable by up to 3 years imprisonment (known as a “wobbler”). Until it is clear that Judge Benitez’s 2019 stay order is lifted, law enforcement might seek to enforce these provisions, exposing you to criminal liability. 11. How does the court’s ruling affect California’s “nuisance” provision? While law enforcement might in fact seize so-called “large capacity” magazines as a “nuisance” under Penal Code section 32390, it is our attorneys’ view that there is no legal authority for it to do so—at least not for those who lawfully acquired their magazines. In fact, our attorneys believe section 32390 is unenforceable against at least lawfully acquired “large capacity” magazines, regardless of this ruling, as it was never intended to apply to them ... In any event, even if our attorneys’ analysis of section 32390 is wrong, the Duncan decision makes clear that it is unconstitutional and thus unenforceable. The notion that an item whose possession is protected by the Second Amendment can be seized by government provided there is no criminal penalty is absurd. 12. What’s next for the Duncan appeal? At this point, that is largely up to Attorney General Becerra and the judges of the Ninth Circuit. The State might choose to accept the panel’s decision, or it could petition the three-judge panel to reconsider its ruling and/or petition the entire Ninth Circuit to rehear the case en banc. And even if the State chooses not to seek rehearing, a judge of the Ninth Circuit might call for a vote to take the case en banc anyway. If rehearing is ordered, additional briefing may be requested, another date for oral argument will be set, and another decision from the Ninth will issue. At that point, the losing party will decide whether to ask the Supreme Court to weigh in by filing a petition for writ of certiorari ... Alternatively, the State could seek direct review by the United States Supreme Court. That avenue will require briefing by the parties on whether the Court should review the Ninth Circuit’s decision and, if the Court chooses to do so, additional briefing and oral argument ... Either way, this process can take months or years. 13. Where can I view the filings in the Duncan v. Becerra lawsuit? All case filings can be viewed online for free at http://michellawyers.com/duncan-v-becerra/. 14. Who is responsible for litigating Duncan v. Becerra? The California Rifle & Pistol Association (CRPA), with financial support from the National Rifle Association and The CRPA Foundation (CRPAF) filed this lawsuit after hearing the concerns, outrage, and fear from members who were being forced by the passage of Prop 63 and Senate Bill Metal God, yeah it's sad to see what's become of Calguns. Used to be a great site but the democrats have taken it over also!
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Yes , thank you very much 50 Shooter
That tracks with my understanding but with much greater detail . I don't see how this gets past an en banc rehearing in are favor . We will almost certainly lose the en-banc and then a refusal to hear by the SCOTUS . I would love to see the AG try to go straight to the SCOTUS . They would have a split and I'd think would need resolving . Then again with Roberts , be careful what you ask for . He has shown to legislate from the bench so who knows what he might do . .
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Glad I can help, everyone needs to have this info, not just Californians. I would think that people in other states could use this info also if they have to deal with a mag ban.
As far as the stay still being in place, I believe they have until the 28th to go for an appeal. If they ask for an en banc hearing we'll be waiting even longer. That and if they decide to go to SCOTUS. Downside to this is that if they lose, we will win bigly! It will do away with any mag ban in the U.S. and further help us overturning other bans.
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CRPA has posted on their site that the state has requested an en banc hearing!
All we can hope for now is that it blows up in their faces!
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