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Old September 23, 2019, 09:56 AM   #26
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Legend?

Check out the stats on .357 Maximum.

Now that would be a good semi-auto platform for Ruger. They should resurrect their Deer Slayer carbine.
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Old September 23, 2019, 08:29 PM   #27
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I'm hoping for a 10inch 350 upper with full capacity magazines for home defense, farm use.
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Old September 26, 2019, 06:25 PM   #28
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It's for AR crowd, legal deer cartridge in limited states. Has some merit for women and kids but not something I need. Got to many better deer guns. I was hoping it was going to be like a 444/44, a maximum length 357. I never looked hard at straight cased cartridges until Ohio came out with them legal for deer. There is only so much you can squeeze out of one reguardless of caliber.

The minimum of 38cal makes it rough on bullet choice. When you go to light end of scale to get velocity the bullets are short and blunt. Not lending to long range accuracy. To get a spitzer type the weight gained drops velocity to point you aren't gaining anything for range.

Being Ohio hunter from SE hills most deer are taken under 100yds. I wanted a rifle that will cover that but also give a chance at the buck that walks into open at 150+ yds. Keep in mind this is under hunting conditions, not what your gun will do off bags on a range at known distance. I'm still looking for the perfect gun for this. Presently fooling with 375w in #3 Ruger, close as I've got so far.
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Old September 27, 2019, 03:53 PM   #29
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The current trend is to build suppressor ready rifles, I think when the .350L was designed this was a consideration of Winchester as well. 16-18" barrels seem to be the sweet spot for people wanting to use a suppressor on a rifle.
I agree on the 'suppressor ready' trend in modern rifle set-ups (bolt or semi), and for that reason barrels on the shorter side are preferred - i.e., staying non-NFA with 16"-18".

Overall weight is also consideration in keeping the tube shorter - i.e., rifle + optic + can.

That said, the 350 Legend ain't a 'legend' yet. At best it's an unproven round. I hear a lotta ballistic 'blackboard theory' about what the cartridge is capable of - 'should-do,' 'might-do,' 'could-do.'

And some folks are getting waaay ahead of themselves talking about it as the next go-to 'bear-stopper.'

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Old September 28, 2019, 12:39 PM   #30
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several gun rag hunting stories out there.
Dropping deer and Pigs as well as anything else out there.
Unproven it ain't.

I want one.
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Old September 29, 2019, 05:39 PM   #31
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I'm hoping for a 10inch 350 upper with full capacity magazines for home defense, farm use.
I read that Ruger now has an AR style "pistol" out with a 9.5 inch 350 Legend barrel. I'm curious whether anyone has actually chronographed any factory 150 gr or 180 gr loads out of a 9.5 inch barrel? I'm aware of the guidelines for estimating loss of velocity, but am curious what the real numbers are.
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Old October 4, 2019, 10:31 AM   #32
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I just picked up a Ruger American in 350 legend.

The model with green stock and 22 inch barrel.
Think its the Predator.

Can anyone fill me in on ballistics? If dead on at 100, how high will i be at 50?

Generally speaking of course for hunting rounds. Probably start with the 170 gr Hornady interlock.

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Old October 4, 2019, 11:19 AM   #33
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You are .19 High
at 50 and - 4.75 at 175


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Old October 4, 2019, 11:48 AM   #34
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Thanks Steve.

So an inch, inch and a half high at 50 should be good.

I can only shoot 50 yards off my deck. Like to site in at 50 at home...then head to the local range for 100. Saves ammo that way and gets me darn close.
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Old October 4, 2019, 07:13 PM   #35
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Yes 1.5 high will get you to 175 yards around 5 inches low


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Old October 4, 2019, 11:50 PM   #36
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I emailed Ruger Customer Service asking about what velocities could be expected out of their 9.5 inch pistol barrel with standard factory loads, such as the 150 and 180 grain from Winchester. Ruger's reply indicated that they don't have that information and that my inquiry may be forwarded to an ammunition manufacturer.
I probably should have phoned Ruger.....
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Old October 5, 2019, 07:59 AM   #37
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I emailed Ruger Customer Service asking about what velocities could be expected out of their 9.5 inch pistol barrel with standard factory loads, such as the 150 and 180 grain from Winchester. Ruger's reply indicated that they don't have that information and that my inquiry may be forwarded to an ammunition manufacturer.
I probably should have phoned Ruger
Outstanding C.S. right there, huh?
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Old October 5, 2019, 08:43 AM   #38
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Not sure what the point of the cartridge is in a bolt action. It's rimless, it's meant for semi-autos. Want a bolt action that shoots a .35 caliber 180grain bullet going 2100 fps? Get a .357 Maximum.
Interesting viewpoint...but i’ll Take my bolt rifle rimless!
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Old October 5, 2019, 08:06 PM   #39
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I was use to my 20” M16. But the 14’ was just as deadly and easier to maneuver with. So I ended up going with shorter barrels in my hunting rifles for the same reason. Where I hunt, most shots are 75-100 yrds. So a shorter barrel works great in areas of heavy vegetation. Now if I lived out West in the plains, I am sure I would not be bothered about maneuvering through vegetation as much as out East. And would have more long range firearms than short to midrange.
On a side note, I put together a 350L out of my spare parts box and a complete upper I found for $205 plus shipping. It’s a 16”.
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Old October 6, 2019, 12:00 AM   #40
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First of all the point is a deer legal cartridge in many states. And most would rather hunt with a bolt action that a semi. Not to mention those states where semis are not legal for deer.

And 350 legend is much easier to find and much cheaper than 357 maximum.

Not to menion the countless bolt rifles in 223.

Not sure why the 350 legend does not make sense to you.

I question why it took so long.
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Old October 6, 2019, 05:45 AM   #41
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Exactly right.
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Old October 6, 2019, 08:31 AM   #42
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The .35 Whelen is more versatile, and perhaps the prime reason it's been around so long.
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Old October 6, 2019, 08:45 AM   #43
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Why not a 300 weatherby mag? There is versatility for you. This is a little carbine round shooting revolver bullets. A round designed specifically for white tail in special states and zones. Why is the concept so hard to grasp? It is one more option in a world with hundreds of choices.
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Old October 6, 2019, 09:59 AM   #44
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35 Whelen and 300 Weatherby Mag are great rounds. But are not straight walled and it would be a hard sell to the game warden that you thought they were.
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Old October 6, 2019, 07:32 PM   #45
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Why not a 300 weatherby mag? There is versatility for you.
Yeah, ... only if you're a masochist with Wall Street income for the ammo budget.

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This is a little carbine round shooting revolver bullets. A round designed specifically for white tail in special states and zones.
Yep, I get that the 350 Legend is a limited purpose cartridge for hunters imprisoned in the odd-ball hunting states with restrictive regs.

Shuff's Parkerizing can put the .35 Whelen into a 16" 'carbine-size' Mini-G (based on the M1 Garand action), if you want a semi. The same .35W ballistics are available in the handy, short-action carbine-size bolt guns chambered for the .350 Remington Magnum.

Both are 'proven' been-there/done-that set ups. More versatile than the .350 Legend, but maybe not suitable for use in the restrictive, odd-ball hunting states.

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Old October 8, 2019, 06:53 AM   #46
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yes, 357 maximum. same round. 3x the price. if you can find it.
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Old October 8, 2019, 09:18 PM   #47
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Shuff's Parkerizing can put the .35 Whelen into a 16" 'carbine-size' Mini-G (based on the M1 Garand action), if you want a semi. The same .35W ballistics are available in the handy, short-action carbine-size bolt guns chambered for the .350 Remington Magnum.

Both are 'proven' been-there/done-that set ups. More versatile than the .350 Legend, but maybe not suitable for use in the restrictive, odd-ball hunting states.
Some of these communist states are over populated with deer. More deer than hunters. And hand out doe permits like candy on Halloween. An excuse to buy a gun (rifle or shotgun)and shoot a mess of deer is not a bad thing! I dont give a crap about the politics and infact I can understand where 3500 fps rifles are not appropriate in heavily populated areas. I can hunt. That is what matters. If you cannot get it done with a 350 you dont belong in the special zones. Maybe no zone.

The day I see a 6,000 pound deer is that day I get a 35 whelen for deer hunting. The 300 weatherby was sarcasm.
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Old October 8, 2019, 10:38 PM   #48
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223/5.56
6.5 Grendel
6.8 SPC
350 Legend
50 Beowooof

All tend to Max out the Lightweight AR15 Platform in a specific niche area.

For engine blocks & Bullwinkle I'd take the Beowooof
For all-round/medium game/hogs I'd take the Grendel w/ a 123gr'r
. . . save where straightwall is req'd, then the Legend w/ 180gr

If I'm going to war -- on balance -- I'd still take the currently-improved 5.56






(postscript: Commercial Legend feeds fine out of a 5.56 Magazine)

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Old October 13, 2019, 11:23 AM   #49
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Shot the ruger today. Can only shoot 50 yards off my deck.

Real close from bore site. Only 4 clicks right and 4 down.

The hornady 170 gr. interlock (american whitetail) shot real nice. 1/2 inch was largest group.

Happy i went with the predator with 22 inch barrel. Very accurate, and extra weight up front helps keep real steady....not to mention little extra weight. Recoil is tame. Can shoot this thing all day. And 16 bucks a box, wont break the bank.

Now, just need to shoot at 100.....and hopefully report on bullet performance on deer.
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Old October 17, 2019, 08:11 PM   #50
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Take this for what it's worth, the .350 may not be legal in all states because of bullet Dia. The states that mandate .357 dia may not let you run your .350 legends. Winchester screwed the pooch on this one and should have ran .358 bullets which is O.K. by me cause the Max is way more gun, No brag, Just Fact!
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