Fastest Draw position? - Page 2

threegun · May 16, 2011, 02:53 PM

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A cross draw will beat a hip draw every time. Try it yourself; without the bias to prove yourself right for the past 20 years.

Is this how the fastest guns in the world carry prior to the draw? Bob Munden was the fastest and he didn't draw cross draw. Eighteen time champs holster location seems to suggest that you are wrong.

ClayInTx · May 16, 2011, 07:10 PM

I was not aware of Bob Munden so I did some Googling.

You should do the same.

smince · May 16, 2011, 07:24 PM

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My kids tease me about it.

So when your kid's tease you about this, doesn't it take your mind off your awareness?

You never ever get distracted by them or your wife? Not even for just the second or two it would take to end up on the bad end of a fight?

Come on now - you can admit it to us.

threegun · May 16, 2011, 07:35 PM

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I was not aware of Bob Munden so I did some Googling.

You should do the same.

I have been watching Munden for over a decade. His speed rig is on his hip although he does carry cross draw also.

Watch the speed draw events also and they carry strongside.

But really all you need do is measure the amount of travel required by the barrel to be on target. If you think cross draw has less movement I say get another ruler.

The fastest guys simply pull the gun out and cam it down forcing the barrel to flip up as it is leaves the rig. There is no wasted motion and certainly no having to turn 90 degrees once leather is clear.

Whats the fastest just watch the fastest. Its the strong side hip.

Glenn Dee · May 16, 2011, 07:59 PM

Smince... Sir...

My point is this...I make it a habit to be aware of my surroundings, and the people around me. It's become second nature to me. Thats all. I'm sure there are things that you do I might consider unrealistic.

And no, I dont loose site of my surroundings when my kids tease me. We have a great relationship, and truely enjoy each others company.

I'm not saying that I'm never distracted...

Mac1 · May 16, 2011, 08:48 PM

I'm with MLEAKE @ #23 on this one. I am very comfortable with a cross draw, and blading your body protects your strong side. If your body is weak side towards the threat, as soon as you clear the holster you are on basic target (especially if it is up close and personal). My weak (left) hand can also afford protection form the threat while the pistol is retrieved, or can help protect the pistol if the threat is too close. Cross draw is most comfortable to me, both in a belt carry or shoulder rig. Just my .02c.
Situational awareness is always your best protection.

threegun · May 17, 2011, 09:15 AM

Another point on the cross draw. When we carry strong side hip it keeps the holster closer to the strong side hand most often. In an emergency or surprise situation you will likely be closer to the holster from the start. Less travel to the holster equals faster.

Blading is a great tactic when carrying cross draw as mentioned. Its just not faster on average.

MLeake · May 17, 2011, 09:58 AM

threegun, I usually prefer strongside carry; crossdraw is normally reserved for shoulder rigs, or for hunting when a revolver is carried in addition to a long gun.

I am not a good enough rider to shoot from horseback, or that might be another case for crossdraw (disrupts balance less than a strongside draw).

But the thing is, strongside belt is not an option for some. My 69yo father lacks the range of motion in his shoulder for it; he either has to carry strongside front pocket, or crossdraw belt. For him, strongside belt is impossible, let alone not fastest.

YMMV.

threegun · May 17, 2011, 04:12 PM

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But the thing is, strongside belt is not an option for some. My 69yo father lacks the range of motion in his shoulder for it; he either has to carry strongside front pocket, or crossdraw belt. For him, strongside belt is impossible, let alone not fastest.

I was just answering the OP's question. You gotta play to your limitations or needs. If I was mostly seated in a vehicle I would cross draw as its more convenient and faster. If as your father I had medical conditions that forced a certain way of carry or non at all, I would quickly switch to the way I could carry.

Erik · May 18, 2011, 12:35 AM

"Appendix carry has been found to be a faster draw for most folks, and it stands to reason that cross draw in a forward position, in front of the hip, would be faster than a standard hip/behind the hip as well."

Agreed.

AirborneMosinFan · May 20, 2011, 03:42 PM

Think about this, since pistols moved past leather holsters with straps across your shoulder have you seen any war fighters side draw?

ClayInTx · May 21, 2011, 02:39 PM

Unless you are a Fast Draw Demonstration Show competitor you are not competing against the guys doing that. Very few of us are good enough to even think about besting them or even coming close. And those guys practice, practice, practice. Few of us do that.

To me. the question of fastest draw is what is fastest for you. You are competing against yourself, not the National Champions. And I believe competition draws forbid a cross draw because of safety.

The question, with no qualifiers, is not about how to conceal carry. I, personally, do not CC a cross draw because no matter how I try it always prints. Also, I believe that a self defense situation will not depend on a fast draw, but on a sneaky draw. Yep, I’ll be sneaky if it’s needed.

When checking the timber on my property I open carry cross draw, but that’s a different situation than the Wal-Mart parking lot.

So, try it. Use a video camera for timing. Be aware that a cross draw will sweep everything and everyone on your weak side so clear that area of pets and persons. And forget “how it’s supposed to be done” because that’s what the movies showed.

Edward429451 · May 21, 2011, 05:21 PM

I carry strong side IWB but I do have a crossdraw holster. I can get on target faster from IWB even with a cover garment, than with a CD. My friend was with me when a dog attacked me and I shot into the grass in front of it to turn the dog, and later my friend told me that he never seen anyone draw a gun so fast, like it appeared in my hand.

I can not do that with a crossdraw holster. Of course it is because I have trained and trained drawing from concealment, much more than practicing crossdraw. Cross draw feels a little weird to me and the dynamics of the draw are very different than IWB. The safety release on the draw is a slight fumble compared to IWB.

**Frank Ettin** · March 27, 2015, 12:29 AM

Stale thread.

May 16, 2011, 08:48 PM	#31
Mac1 Member Join Date: April 10, 2010 Location: Western NC Posts: 75	I'm with MLEAKE @ #23 on this one. I am very comfortable with a cross draw, and blading your body protects your strong side. If your body is weak side towards the threat, as soon as you clear the holster you are on basic target (especially if it is up close and personal). My weak (left) hand can also afford protection form the threat while the pistol is retrieved, or can help protect the pistol if the threat is too close. Cross draw is most comfortable to me, both in a belt carry or shoulder rig. Just my .02c. Situational awareness is always your best protection. __________________ When there's no time for 911, I'll use 1911.

May 18, 2011, 12:35 AM	#35
Erik Senior Member Join Date: December 24, 1999 Location: America Posts: 3,479	"Appendix carry has been found to be a faster draw for most folks, and it stands to reason that cross draw in a forward position, in front of the hip, would be faster than a standard hip/behind the hip as well." Agreed. __________________ Meriam Webster's: Main Entry: ci·vil·ian Pronunciation: \sə-ˈvil-yən also -ˈvi-yən\, Function: noun, Date: 14th century, 1: a specialist in Roman or modern civil law, 2 a: one not on active duty in the armed services or not on a police or firefighting force b: outsider 1, — civilian adjective

May 20, 2011, 03:42 PM	#36
AirborneMosinFan Senior Member Join Date: May 20, 2011 Location: Kelly nc Posts: 137	The hip on your dominant hand is not only the best but the quickest Think about this, since pistols moved past leather holsters with straps across your shoulder have you seen any war fighters side draw?

March 27, 2015, 12:29 AM	#39
Frank Ettin Staff Join Date: November 23, 2005 Location: California - San Francisco Posts: 9,471	Stale thread. __________________ "It is long been a principle of ours that one is no more armed because he has possession of a firearm than he is a musician because he owns a piano. There is no point in having a gun if you are not capable of using it skillfully." -- Jeff Cooper

May 16, 2011, 07:10 PM	#27
ClayInTx Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 1,066	I was not aware of Bob Munden so I did some Googling. You should do the same.

May 16, 2011, 07:59 PM	#30
Glenn Dee Senior Member Join Date: September 9, 2009 Location: South Florida Posts: 1,560	Smince... Sir... My point is this...I make it a habit to be aware of my surroundings, and the people around me. It's become second nature to me. Thats all. I'm sure there are things that you do I might consider unrealistic. And no, I dont loose site of my surroundings when my kids tease me. We have a great relationship, and truely enjoy each others company. I'm not saying that I'm never distracted...

May 17, 2011, 09:15 AM	#32
threegun Junior member Join Date: March 1, 2006 Location: Tampa,Fl Posts: 4,000	Another point on the cross draw. When we carry strong side hip it keeps the holster closer to the strong side hand most often. In an emergency or surprise situation you will likely be closer to the holster from the start. Less travel to the holster equals faster. Blading is a great tactic when carrying cross draw as mentioned. Its just not faster on average.

May 17, 2011, 09:58 AM	#33
MLeake Senior Member Join Date: November 15, 2007 Location: Outside KC, MO Posts: 10,128	threegun, I usually prefer strongside carry; crossdraw is normally reserved for shoulder rigs, or for hunting when a revolver is carried in addition to a long gun. I am not a good enough rider to shoot from horseback, or that might be another case for crossdraw (disrupts balance less than a strongside draw). But the thing is, strongside belt is not an option for some. My 69yo father lacks the range of motion in his shoulder for it; he either has to carry strongside front pocket, or crossdraw belt. For him, strongside belt is impossible, let alone not fastest. YMMV.

May 21, 2011, 02:39 PM	#37
ClayInTx Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 1,066	Unless you are a Fast Draw Demonstration Show competitor you are not competing against the guys doing that. Very few of us are good enough to even think about besting them or even coming close. And those guys practice, practice, practice. Few of us do that. To me. the question of fastest draw is what is fastest for you. You are competing against yourself, not the National Champions. And I believe competition draws forbid a cross draw because of safety. The question, with no qualifiers, is not about how to conceal carry. I, personally, do not CC a cross draw because no matter how I try it always prints. Also, I believe that a self defense situation will not depend on a fast draw, but on a sneaky draw. Yep, I’ll be sneaky if it’s needed. When checking the timber on my property I open carry cross draw, but that’s a different situation than the Wal-Mart parking lot. So, try it. Use a video camera for timing. Be aware that a cross draw will sweep everything and everyone on your weak side so clear that area of pets and persons. And forget “how it’s supposed to be done” because that’s what the movies showed.

May 21, 2011, 05:21 PM	#38
Edward429451 Junior member Join Date: November 12, 2000 Location: Colorado Springs, Colorado Posts: 9,494	I carry strong side IWB but I do have a crossdraw holster. I can get on target faster from IWB even with a cover garment, than with a CD. My friend was with me when a dog attacked me and I shot into the grass in front of it to turn the dog, and later my friend told me that he never seen anyone draw a gun so fast, like it appeared in my hand. I can not do that with a crossdraw holster. Of course it is because I have trained and trained drawing from concealment, much more than practicing crossdraw. Cross draw feels a little weird to me and the dynamics of the draw are very different than IWB. The safety release on the draw is a slight fumble compared to IWB.