12GA Rifle From Hell

[HUBEL458]

tINY--Yes it is a strong bolt lug system. There are a few around the country that were imported but the ammo never was imported
so they made a run of brass cases for it. And Rocky
Mtn Brass has a big bunch of the 3 inch 4bore cases left
that only fit that gun.Ed,

[TJHell]

If you sold one how much would it cost

[Ocraknife]

Those libs are crafty devils sometimes. If they tried to attack a new caliber cartridge they try and avoid pitfalls There was too few .50 BMG owners in California to stop the .50 BMG ban they passed.
If the new cartridge you have was called for example the .12 gauge Hubel Ultra Magnum, the libs would work out a deal to attack only your cartridge by name and spare the regular 12 gauge shells from the attack. They wouldnt have the political power (yet and hopefully never will) to battle the regular 12 gauge (too established). That would be political suicide.

Not all liberals are anti-gun. I am a liberal, NRA member and I vote too.

[CobrayCommando]

I propose calling them leftists henceforth. The term liberal to me brings to mind the Founding Fathers, representative democracy, the rule of law and free market economy.

[Indrid Cold]

Yeah, I'm the same as Ocraknife. Generally liberal, but NRA member. Not all of us are evil

[HUBEL458]

TJ--You can get a Tula 4bore case at Rocky
Mountain cartridge. $20 shipping included.
Their # 307-587-9693. I have none left.
I only helped get th e run of brass made
the right size for other guys who have
the guns and there is a big bunch left.
They are head stamped Tula 4 GA
As for the cartridge we call 12GA FH it is
technically and physically labeled on the
barrels 12 GA 3 3/4. They are not going to
bother anymore than with the 12ga 3 1/2"
I don't think..Ed

[HUBEL458]

Another shotgun/rifle experiment is 28ga FH.
Rocky MTN is making me some
3.25 in 28ga cases. They are good to 38k psi.
That will get 550 gr out at 2500 in
bolt action.A regular 28ga gun may get to
2000, depending on how heavy barrel is.
Get a NEF Ultra cut off leaving breech section
for monoblock and have 28ga rifled barrel
made and screwed or soldered in monoblock.
And being able to hold 38k to match brass,
That would get 2500 fps loads.Ed

[Straight Shooter]

Nice.

[Donaldo]

Just out of curiosity, you think you might be able to mount a M102 howitzer to a shoulder stock in the near future? lol.

[KarlSG]

Would 30mm cannon do for now? Because Ed has a nifty little 2 bore number made off that brass.(The case nearby is a 30-06)

[HUBEL458]

Hi Karl-- Can you send me some warm weather.
Donaldo--We think that our falling block project
will lead to having one big enough for our
4bore and our 2bore Karl mentioned above.Ed

[Donaldo]

Well, I guess a 30mm will do if it's all we got to work with...

[HUBEL458]

Tested AA2015- VV N130- Norma200- in plastic cases with small primers. They don't fire
dependably. Sqibs and misfires. Have
VV N110 ordered to test.Have had inquiries
about getting our cases shortened for strength
and they want to put in small primer.
They can be adapted with bushing. Ok but
must use 4759 or fast shotgun powders,
if they are used by themselves. Any slower powders, a fast shotgun starter powder
is needed. My testing shows RE-15 with 10gr
of Blue Dot starter is best of all we tested
in slower powders for shorter cases.Ed

[HUBEL458]

Here is picture of the first falling block
model of aluminum, with a roughed out
stock to see how it looks. Action is a
rough model. It shoulders nice, and
lever is inlet into pistol grip,
so you can't get banged up
fingers with the big cartridges it is designed
for, like levers that stick down at the
guard.Ed

[tINY]

Looking good.

That comb is gonna hurt a little, though.....


-tINY

[HUBEL458]

tINY--Comb is uphill a 1/4" at back from comb front.So
it won't hit the face. The front of comb can also
be whittled back and more curve added to top of
the grip, if a longer tang is wanted for the
tang mounted ladder sights.Ed

[HUBEL458]

The top rear of action will have a recess to mount
any length tang you need. The lever can be straightened
easily for straight grip stocks also.Ed.

[tINY]

The comb in that picture looks pretty squared off on top. I like the reverse angle - it makes shooting cannons more comfortable......




-tINY

[HUBEL458]

Here is pic of action model with lever open
and the breech block down. Also the action
will have a slot in the rtop rear for a
top tang of whatever length you need.
Can even add a long tang for tang sights.

[HUBEL458]

Info about the toggle link. It is up inside
the breech block, and quite short,and that
allows the overall height of the action to
be relatively compact, for the huge
cases we plan on using.But yet the top
part of the breechblock is solid for
great strength.Ed

[HUBEL458]

Asked about using 900 gr saboted bullets in
3" plastic cases in regular barrels with
4759 or RL-15 and starter powder.
With bullets that heavy you'd have too
high of pressures with 4759
for plastic cases. Possibly could do
it with RL-15 and starter
powder in plastic, but only
in heavy barreled like NEF.

But the 600 gr Dixie is still the best for
most uses in plastic.

A NEF and brass RMC cases would handle 900 gr
Saboted bullet with RL-15 and starter powder. Start
at 80 gr Rl-15 and go up if cases don't expand to much to resize.Ed

[HUBEL458]

Here is pic of a double that I will put
barrels in, monoblock style, using the breech
section for the monoblock. This one will be
for 28GA FH. May get another same size for
my 510HE. I will be able to run full pressures
with these.....I am trying to find a bigger,
heavier one to put 12GA FH in. I want
heavier one so as to run pressures like my
Savage as a minimum.Ed.

[HUBEL458]

I was looking at an 8ga single on
GB, that looked heavy enough to put
a barrel in for 12ga or 700HE. They
wanted much more than it cost
new.It was a real heavy
Spanish single. If I found an extra,
or the 8ga Tonolini double, I might
leave it 8ga, as I could make a few
cases by reworking 20mm Suzy brass,
can be done without adding rim,which would
be super strong cases like our 12ga FH.Ed

[AZGunLover]

Can I get it in a revolver?

[HUBEL458]

Had question about locking RMC cases onto
lead slugs, as they don't crimp into the
grooves well as sharp bend works thick
mouth. First I resize tight and slightly bell
mouth.Insert slugs which take a little pressure.
Then I use a die with slightly more
taper and swage the mouth into slug, like
the fit you get with bottleneck cases.
Same deal works with our long cases made
from BMG brass.Ed