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Old February 13, 2019, 10:17 AM   #1
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Henry AR-7 ammo-'High Velocity'?

Youngest son made me an offer I couldn't refuse so he has the $ to buy a 1022..Bought his Henry AR-7...says it needs 'high velocity' ammo..first 22 I have owned..what makes 22LR ammo 'high velocity'? Above a certain muzzle velocity printed on box? Can those be trusted?

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Old February 13, 2019, 05:50 PM   #2
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High velocity 22lr is pretty common. Remington Thunderbolt, CCI Blazer, CCI Minimags are just a few. I would classify rounds over 1200fps as high velocity. There is also what is known as hyper velocity that would be an even higher fps, but I've never used it. I just know it exists. Many semiauto 22's need high velocity ammo to cycle reliably.
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Old February 13, 2019, 06:20 PM   #3
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Thanks sir.
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Old February 14, 2019, 02:08 AM   #4
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Had one for a week, jammed on 10 different ammo types. Multiple mags didn't help.
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Old February 14, 2019, 08:23 AM   #5
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Had one for a week, jammed on 10 different ammo types. Multiple mags didn't help.
My son sold me his..he did some interweb directed polishing of some part of the magazines..no problem since..about 300 rounds thru it. YMMV and all that.
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Old February 14, 2019, 08:46 AM   #6
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Never a problem with mine. Most .22 ammo sold today is "high velocity". You have to look for "standard velocity".
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Old February 14, 2019, 10:21 AM   #7
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Never had a Henry AR7 or the original. The ones made in late 70s & 80s were Jamo matics.
I think Charter Arms were making them at the time. I don't think the trouble was in the mags it was the retention of mag in the gun. If Henry hasn't fixed this that's the problem. If you put your hand under mag to put upward pressure it would work. As far as ammo when
they functioned they would shoot anything you put in them.
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Old February 14, 2019, 04:40 PM   #8
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Hmm. I've had my Henry AR-7 for at least 8 years now, with few issues with jamming. And my god-children have put nearly 4,000 rds through the thing.

It has stove-piped a few times, but I found that just an annual cleaning and shooting the bolt with some WD-40 or similar before shooting would allow it to run smoothly all day or through at least several sessions.

Mine will even run using standard velocity ammo, though it will tend to stove-pipe after a 100 to 200 rounds.

My advice is to just keep it moderately clean and lubed and it should just run. The high velocity stuff just makes it a bit more reliable.
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Shot it yesterday...cold day up in the mountains but no wind..really a giggle. Hitting a can at 50 yards pretty easy even with my crappy bi-focaled eyes. One failure, bolt tried to close on a round smushing it..about 250 rounds..which cost about $8...like that. Fun gun.
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Old February 18, 2019, 12:16 PM   #10
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What kind of ammo did you end up running through it?
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What kind of ammo did you end up running through it?
This-Remington Thunderbolt..worked like a dream, accurate.
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People seem to love or hate the Remington Thunderbolt. I like it. It's cheap and like you said, pretty accurate. I get better accuracy from Blazer 22lr, but it's also $8-$10 more per 500 rounds.
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People seem to love or hate the Remington Thunderbolt. I like it. It's cheap and like you said, pretty accurate. I get better accuracy from Blazer 22lr, but it's also $8-$10 more per 500 rounds.
Better accuracy doesn't really enter into my AR, until I get a new lens in my RH eye..some cataract/line/old age bubbles that give me a wee bit of double vision..I can see and hit a can/melon at 25-35 yards or so..so good for me.
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Old February 20, 2019, 03:01 AM   #14
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AR-7

I dunno what it is, but youngsters tend to like the AR-7. As a lad, bamaboy wanted one, and I eventually bought him one for a birthday. It's run fine, and other than the front plastic front sight running around in its dovetail, has given no problems. Picked up some extra mags to fit in the butt too. I borrow the little rifle from him, and throw it in the trunk with a brick of ammo stored in a peanut butter jar, on long trips, just in case.
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I dunno what it is, but youngsters tend to like the AR-7.
I'm .68 of a century..
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Old February 20, 2019, 09:14 AM   #16
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So the deal w/ .22 LR's from my experience is this:

#1 - Rimfire is dirty stuff (.22LR is rimfire not centerfire) - cleaning is not optional, particularly in some guns more than others you are going to have to clean fairly often between uses if you shoot much. People also tend to shoot a lot of .22LR in an auto loader since it's cheap, so that just makes for dirtier guns.

#2 - If you are having problems w/ a .22LR gun stay away from the ultra cheap "pre damaged" ammo that just comes loose in the box, it tends to be the worst ammo plus is all smashed around and that can induce jams due to little defects. Stick with ammo that comes in the plastic trays w/ individual holes for each round - this is not one bit expensive, you are talking like 8 cents a round versus the 4 or 5 cents for the real crumby stuff . Also since people shoot .22LR a lot they often jump to the big boxes of cheap ammo, which you can buy in bulk - just better to buy quality stuff..

If you think you need high velocity, a good one are Remington Golden Bullets, maybe give them a shot. They are sold at Walmart in 100 round packages for $8 I believe.

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USN retired, I'm not too far behind you, at .61, but as anybody there will tell you........it's not the year model, it's the mileage!

Bamaboy was about 10 when we bought the AR-7. I't's his, but I likely have shot it more than he has at this point. When I was working, one of my coworkers used to say " You ain't nothin' but a big kid".

I'm trying hard to keep that the truth. Best wishes.
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Old February 22, 2019, 01:43 PM   #18
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Got a few years on both of you. But I have always found the AR7 to be interesting. As well as the 22/410 M6 air crew survival weapon. Just haven't run across one at the right price when I was in the right mood, or wasn't already buying something else.
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I had one of those, think it was the first rimfire I bought.

Not a bad little gun, only troubles I had wasn't ever with the gun itself but the cheapo scope mount I had on it. could never tighten it enough so it wouldn't loosen after firing a hundred rounds. If I recall, the final fix was to apply nail polish around the mount/rail.
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This can get a little confusing, but I'm not going to look up dates and velocities, sorry.

A long time ago, (better than half a century) there was an improved .22LR loading, called "high velocity". The original load became known as "standard velocity". The High Velocity load became so popular, it became the "standard" and the original "standard velocity" ammo was still produced, as Target ammo.

There are some old .22s that were never made to take "high velocity" ammo.

Today, about every common .22LR is the "high vel" load. Remington Golden Bullets, Thunderbolts, Winchecter Wildcats and other are all "high velocity".

There is also an even higher velocity load, usually called "hyper velocity" Stingers, Yellowjackets, Vipers and such. Some guns won't take them, most will.
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