The Firing Line Forums

Go Back   The Firing Line Forums > The Skunkworks > Handloading, Reloading, and Bullet Casting

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old January 20, 2020, 09:12 AM   #1
ECM4
Member
 
Join Date: February 18, 2019
Location: West Virginia
Posts: 34
Shooting unlubed bullets

Got some 9mm 124 LRN bullets while reloading I have found 2 bullets that were unlubed in the box. Don’t know how that happens and gets in the box with the others. I didn’t load them but I’m starting to wonder if there were more and I missed them. I don’t think I would of missed it since I’m reloading on a single stage and I touch and look at everyone. If a couple got through would it do anything? Always heard leading would be really bad with unlubed bullets but would a few getting shot do much?
ECM4 is offline  
Old January 20, 2020, 09:16 AM   #2
Kevin Rohrer
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 19, 2010
Location: Medina, Ohio
Posts: 848
The world will not stop rotating because you shoot unlubed bullets. Neither you nor your gun will notice the difference. Load and shoot them and move-on.
__________________
Member: Orange Gunsite Family, NRA--Life, ARTCA, and American Legion.

Caveat Emptor: Cavery Grips from Clayton, NC. He is a scammer
Kevin Rohrer is offline  
Old January 20, 2020, 09:37 AM   #3
pete2
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 15, 2012
Location: Texas
Posts: 2,131
Shooting a couple unlubed bullets won't hurt anything especially if fired with other lubed bullets. Too many and you will have a mess of lead in the bbl. I usually cull them if I notice them.
pete2 is offline  
Old January 20, 2020, 12:11 PM   #4
mikld
Senior Member
 
Join Date: February 7, 2009
Location: Southern Oregon!
Posts: 2,891
I certainly would not want to shoot a dozen unlubed bullets in a 9mm, but two or three fired along with others lubed may not be noticeable. Leading in a barrel is not impossible to remove and a few unlubed will not be unsafe...
__________________
My Anchor is holding fast!
I've learned how to stand on my own two knees...
mikld is offline  
Old January 20, 2020, 12:38 PM   #5
Don Fischer
Senior Member
 
Join Date: March 2, 2017
Posts: 1,645
I wouldn't shoot them! I had to clean out severe leading in a 41mag from factory ammo one time. Do it once and I think I can guarantee you'll never shoot an unlubed bullet again. I had abox of factory bullet's my son gave me. Might have been lubed but you couldn't prove it by me. I never shot them. Melted them down and recast them. Thinking back I should have simply lubed them and shot them. Lubing bullet's is not a chore, cleaning a leaded barrel is!
Don Fischer is offline  
Old January 20, 2020, 02:39 PM   #6
T. O'Heir
Senior Member
 
Join Date: February 13, 2002
Location: Canada
Posts: 11,866
There's a chance the bullets will key hole. That's what happened during the Great BP Cartridge Rifle Experiment, long ago. The .45-70 TD Carbine with a cast 405 and 70 grains of BP(everybody knows it's a .458" bullet with 70 grains of BP. No Internet or books in those days to tell me the TD Carbine load was 55 grains of BP) key holed perfectly at 25 yards.
"...how that happens..." Lube can literally fall off during transport.
Leading caused more by excessive velocity with a cast bullet. I seriously doubt even a Max load at around 1,055 FPS will cause leading. There's no definite velocity for that.
__________________
Spelling and grammar count!
T. O'Heir is offline  
Old January 20, 2020, 03:47 PM   #7
J.G. Terry
Senior Member
 
Join Date: January 24, 2014
Posts: 578
Many unlubed bullets

What's the point of shooting two unlubed bullets?

I recall years ago the commander of the local SWAT team to help with a leading problem. The barrel looked like he had been shooting something grossly wrong. Lead came out of the barrel in flakes. He had shot a number of these gift rounds.The end of the story was we pulled a bullet to find no lube. These rounds were given to him by another officer who was going into the bullet business.
__________________
Intentionally Antagonizing Another MemberInsults and Ad Hominems
J.G. Terry is offline  
Old January 20, 2020, 04:06 PM   #8
Nick_C_S
Senior Member
 
Join Date: March 21, 2013
Location: Taxifornia
Posts: 4,938
Quote:
I certainly would not want to shoot a dozen unlubed bullets in a 9mm, but two or three fired along with others lubed may not be noticeable. Leading in a barrel is not impossible to remove and a few unlubed will not be unsafe...
Yeah, this ^^

When I run across lead bullets that the lube has come out of the groove, I just load them and move on. Shoot as normal.

When shooting lead, I also run an oiled patch through the barrel frequently. Seems to help reduce the leading.
__________________
Gun control laws benefit only criminals and politicians - but then, I repeat myself.
Life Member, National Rifle Association
Nick_C_S is offline  
Old January 21, 2020, 04:40 AM   #9
Mike / Tx
Senior Member
 
Join Date: April 8, 2000
Posts: 1,946
Like mentioned a couple of unlubed in amongst a days outing would probably never be noticed.

The bigger issue is if they were sized and just missed catching lube or weren't sized at all. I would check for that.

I've had some that just caught an air pocket and missed getting fully lubed or any at all. It happens sometimes. They were however sized and got loaded with the rest.

I've loaded up a couple of barrels but the bullets that did it were lubes. It was me pushing them that got me into the fix.
__________________
LAter,
Mike / TX
Mike / Tx is offline  
Old January 21, 2020, 12:22 PM   #10
mikld
Senior Member
 
Join Date: February 7, 2009
Location: Southern Oregon!
Posts: 2,891
FWIW; I bought a box of 100 cast 358" SWC from a "not to be named" commercial caster The arrived loose in a box, but about a half dozen has less than half of the lube groove filled and several had about a quarter missing. I got my handy dandy tube of ChapStick out of my pocket and stuffed some in the gaps. I loaded a few and could tell no difference. No excess leading, no less accuracy...
__________________
My Anchor is holding fast!
I've learned how to stand on my own two knees...
mikld is offline  
Old January 22, 2020, 05:55 PM   #11
Unclenick
Staff
 
Join Date: March 4, 2005
Location: Ohio
Posts: 17,009
A number of folks shoot unlubed bullets at target velocities on purpose and find the leading no worse than with lube. Lead alloys are pretty slippery against steel. If you don't push them very hard and your bore is smooth, it seems to work OK.

If you have one or two unlubed bullets, there will be enough residual lube in the bore from the lubed ones that went before it that they should have plenty of lube. The concern that they may have missed sizing, too, is the larger one. It won't do a lot to pressure to fire an unsized bullet (many find they shoot more accurately than sized bullets do from some molds), but the fatter bullet can bulge a case enough to cause a feed failure in some chambers, so you want to plunk test the rounds to see if you run into a problem.

If you were shooting cast bullets toward jacketed rifle bullet velocities, that's another issue, and I would want every bullet carefully lubed with the best lube I had. For handgun loads, even magnum ones, if you are really concerned, just rub the sides of the bullet against some paraffin wax (a candle will work). For just one shot fired between lubed shots, you don't need the perfect lube to be present.
__________________
Gunsite Orange Hat Family Member
CMP Certified GSM Master Instructor
NRA Certified Rifle Instructor
NRA Benefactor Member and Golden Eagle
Unclenick is offline  
Old January 22, 2020, 07:43 PM   #12
ECM4
Member
 
Join Date: February 18, 2019
Location: West Virginia
Posts: 34
Thanks for info guys. Never ran into that problem and haven’t loaded anything other than lead bullets for awhile and never got any unlubed ones before. I will just measure the bullets to make sure of the size and load them. It’s only 2 bullets that I found so far I was just going to toss since I’m not out more than a few cents. I feel better about shooting them now.
ECM4 is offline  
Old January 23, 2020, 11:54 PM   #13
RC20
Senior Member
 
Join Date: April 10, 2008
Location: Alaska
Posts: 6,237
Well many years back my brother and I were reloading (Lee hammer loaders so we were a couple of hicks at it)

He got a box of lead bullets and compalined abut the lube on them. He is kind of a neat and tidy sort. He said he was going to clean it off, I told him that while I did not know why, there was a reason they went to the trouble to lube them. Leave it on.

Nope, he wiped it off and reloaded em.

6 rounds latter he had a musket. Pretty funny scraping lead out of a revolver barrel with a screwdriver. Good old days before the Internet.

You thunked that lube was there for a reason? Ummmmmm
__________________
Science and Facts are True whether you believe it or not
RC20 is offline  
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:34 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
This site and contents, including all posts, Copyright © 1998-2018 S.W.A.T. Magazine
Copyright Complaints: Please direct DMCA Takedown Notices to the registered agent: thefiringline.com
Contact Us
Page generated in 0.06271 seconds with 10 queries