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November 11, 2008, 12:43 AM | #1 |
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Thinking of getting a suppressor...
Never gave it any thought until recently. I'm thinking about getting a suppressor for one of my handguns. I figured it would be interesting to shoot. I don't know anything about them and I just had some questions. Do they increase/decrease accuracy at all? Do I still need to wear hearing protection when I shoot suppressed? What kind should I get? Which of my handguns should I put one on? I have the following:
Bersa Thunder .380 Beretta Px4 Storm 9mm Taurus PT 92 AFS 9mm Smith & Wesson Sigma SW40VE .40 S&W Fabrique National Herstal FNP-40 .40 S&W Para Ordnance Big Hawg .45 ACP If none of these will work what's a decent gun to put a suppressor on that won't cost me an arm and a leg? |
November 11, 2008, 12:51 AM | #2 |
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Of the guns listed
Of the guns listed the Taurus 9mm would be the one to go with as the factory barrel is long enough to thread.
The S&W M&P Spec Ops pistol with factory threaded barrel is a heck of a deal. Comes with 3 magazines and either a $50 rebate or 2 more magazines from S&W. I like the Advanced Armament Evolution 9mm for a silencer. I do not need hearing protection, you will need to shoot subsonic 9mm ammo. My hearing has long since been good, so you might hook up with a local dealer or another shooter and hear one so you know what you are getting. |
November 11, 2008, 10:16 PM | #3 |
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I was thinking of getting an M&P anyway, didn't know they made that model. Thanks!
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November 11, 2008, 11:29 PM | #5 |
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While they are available on the secondary market like gun broker etc. The entire production run of the M+P factory threaded gun went to Sports South. Have your dealer order direct from them as they are the only wholesale source.
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November 12, 2008, 12:53 AM | #6 | |
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Here's some good info for ya. Got this from OSHA, these are the allowable limits per day:
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Silencer Results Keep in mind this info is a bit outdated. I just ordered a .223 suppressor that reduces the sound 36db. If you look at the table for .223 unsuppressed it's about 165 db. My suppressor should reduce it to 129 db, which means I can safely shoot it 1000 times a day without hearing protection. Some of the silencers listed don't take it below 140 and you need hearing protection with your 'silencer'! Be sure to do some homework or, in my opinion, your silencer could be virtually worthless and would require hearing protection. Keep in mind that the decibel scale is logarithmic (base 10), which means that a noise of 100 db is twice as loud as 90 db. 90 is twice as loud as 80 db. (which means 100 db is one hundred times as loud as 80 db!) Here's an estimate for my Glock 21 .45 ACP (I decided not to get it): **Some firearms need the LID device to help cycle the weapon. 45s some 9mms. They run about 135.00 for the LID device **Drop in threaded barrels run from 125.00-205.00 **Will need to get taller sights as well. Front and rear run 90.00-190.00 (night sites are more) **Gem-Tech Blackside silencers run 585.00 in 45 cal. **Plus $200 tax stamp **Plus tax Plus about five to six months of waiting, background check, passport photos, fingerprints in duplicate, sheriff's signature if you are lucky (and most likely a call from the sheriff asking you why you want a silencer), a bunch of paperwork in duplicate, payment up front as soon as you initiate the paperwork, etc..(you get the idea). Last edited by cchardwick; November 12, 2008 at 01:14 AM. |
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November 12, 2008, 03:28 PM | #9 |
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So what you’re saying…since most 9mm cans are smaller than 45 cans the 9mm has to be louder…after all they don’t have the volume of the 45. Am I correct?
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November 12, 2008, 05:04 PM | #10 |
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GE-Minigun, seriously? Back off. You're wrong.
It is very well known through the industry that .45ACP is difficult to properly suppress, even though it's subsonic. The 9mm, being ~.355", can have a ~.400" bore, thus trapping gas for a longer time. The smallest bore on a .45ACP I've seen is ~.490", and it was STILL loud. To properly suppress a .45ACP, you need significantly more volume to capture more gas for a longer time - something rather impractical in a pistol-hosted silencer. The BEST .45ACP can is still louder dry than some of the lousiest 9mm cans - wet, the 9mm STILL wins with subsonic ammo (which most people will use when using a silenced 9mm) |
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PTK is right on the mark. The absolute quietest suppressed centerfire pistol rig I have ever used included the SWR Trident9 suppressor. 45's just don't suppress as well as a 9. That is fact.
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November 13, 2008, 12:26 AM | #12 |
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Thanks for all the info guys! Just one more question if I may: What's the difference in stopping power of subsonic vs supersonic 9mm? I only ask out of curiousity. I think even in the most clear cut case of self defense I would have a lot of questions to answer as to why I had/used a suppressor and subsonic ammo. I don't plan on using the suppressor on my home defense weapon(s).
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November 13, 2008, 01:15 AM | #13 |
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You have the sound reduction device because your hearing is important to you even when defending your family.
Loosley comparing 9mm ammo the 115 grain supersonic ammo will expand more and tend to do more temporary wound channel. 147grain subsonic ammo will ten to penetrate more and carry it's energy to the target at longer distances. The amount of energy from the ammo will be the same, neither is a reduced loading. So for shooting meat pick a 147gr bullet with good expansion qualities to limit it's penetration, and 147gr FMJ for windshileds. |
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November 13, 2008, 02:07 AM | #15 |
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I stand corrected... from working around running jet engines for years my hearing is already starting to go and I would hate to lose the rest of it by unloading in a hallway. The only other reason I wouldn't use a suppressor in HD situation is because a gunshot can be a great call for help. Neighbors would call the cops if I had not yet had the chance. Guess I'll keep one suppressed and one not for whatever the situation warrants. I'm a big fan of the boy scout motto. Thanks a lot for the info... very nice.
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or you can form a trust and bypass the photo, fingerprings, and CLEO signature.
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Explain this trust thing to me. That is what someone at the gunshop mentioned but he said I would have to come back and talk to another individual that mostly deals with those sales.
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December 30, 2008, 12:31 PM | #21 |
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When my Sheriff asks why I need it I either say "collecting" or "training and competition" depending on what I'm trying to buy. When dropping off the Form 4 or 1, I'll also include a cover letter to the Sheriff listing my past training and firearms qualifications, any future classes or matches I have planned, an invitation to sample the weapons when I get them in, along with a copy of my CCW permit and drivers license. It's worked for me but they've never taken me up on my offer to sample the toys. YMMV
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