Fun Budget 9? - Page 3

Kemikos · July 24, 2018, 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill DeShivs

Stars are pretty safe guns to carry. I wouldn't hesitate to carry one-as long as it has an inertial firing pin.
The design is far from obsolete- being the basis for all of the current 1911-looking .380s and mini 9mms.

OK, poor phrasing. The gun isn't obsolete, but the safety system isn't up to modern standards. Or so I thought. If I'm remembering correctly, the safety lever physically blocks the hammer, which is good, but doesn't it have a floating firing pin with no firing pin block?

If I'm wrong, then I take back what I said about carrying...

Bill DeShivs · July 24, 2018, 12:44 PM

The Star safety physically blocks the hammer.
Most have inertial firing pins.
None have a firing pin block-nor do millions of 1911s and other guns that are still viable for carry.

5whiskey · July 25, 2018, 12:31 PM

What Bill said. I am a fan of the FPB, but I'm not afraid to carry a 70 series 1911. Replace the firing pin spring on occasion, and don't drop it (i.e. use a good holster). If it does drop fire from lack of FPB, it would be oriented muzzle down. Not optimal, but at least better than muzzle up.

oughtsix · July 28, 2018, 04:40 AM

For a range gun I would look at a RIA 1911 in 9mm. It is really hard to beat a 1911 for a range gun.

For a carry gun or a night stand gun "I" don't feel comfortable with cocked and locked so I would probably look at a Beretta, CZ or similar.

scoobysnacker · July 28, 2018, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill DeShivs

Stars are pretty safe guns to carry. I wouldn't hesitate to carry one-as long as it has an inertial firing pin.
The design is far from obsolete- being the basis for all of the current 1911-looking .380s and mini 9mms.

Bill, supposing one has a Star without an inertial firing pin, but wanted one:

what option is there?

Bill DeShivs · July 28, 2018, 10:22 PM

That person would contact me, and have me make him one.

TruthTellers · July 28, 2018, 10:42 PM

For cheap fun, you can't beat it:

scoobysnacker · July 29, 2018, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill DeShivs

That person would contact me, and have me make him one.

Gotcha.

Will keep that in mind. I'm very pleased with the BM I have already, can't wait for the next one (one of the $150 specials from Classic).

Cheapshooter · July 29, 2018, 11:19 AM

Accuracy for $$$ I have to agree with Truth Tellers. Of the eight 9mm pistols I have from various makers my Hi-Point C-9 is the most accurate. Plus it's been 100% reliable with any ammo I feed it.

TruthTellers · July 29, 2018, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheapshooter

Accuracy for $$$ I have to agree with Truth Tellers. Of the eight 9mm pistols I have from various makers my Hi-Point C-9 is the most accurate. Plus it's been 100% reliable with any ammo I feed it.

Even steel case? I've had a .45 Hi Point on the mind from time to time, but I don't want to be stuck shooting brass cuz of the price.

Cheapshooter · July 29, 2018, 10:05 PM

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Even steel case? I've had a .45 Hi Point on the mind from time to time, but I don't want to be stuck shooting brass cuz of the price.

Yes. Haven't tried it in my JHP (the 45 acp model). But in the C-9 it runs fine.
I have read that Hi-Point recommends a couple hundred rounds of brass break in before using steal. Not sure how much brass I ran through mine before I used steel, but it wasn't 200. Maybe 50 tops.

TruthTellers · July 30, 2018, 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Cheapshooter

Yes. Haven't tried it in my JHP (the 45 acp model). But in the C-9 it runs fine.
I have read that Hi-Point recommends a couple hundred rounds of brass break in before using steal. Not sure how much brass I ran through mine before I used steel, but it wasn't 200. Maybe 50 tops.

Alright, that's good to know. I wish Hi Point would make that C-Note finish on the .45 model, cuz then I'd buy it cuz a Hi Point covered in money is just... money.

But Idk, the 9mm Hi Point can still be fun and cheap to shoot too. It's just if I was to spend $200, I'd rather spend it on something more practical, like an EC9s.

Winny · July 30, 2018, 10:36 AM

I love my Security 9 but I wouldn't use it as a range gun. The Aluminum chassis and thinner barrel make me think it won't last as long as the Canik.

I would spend the extra money and spring for the M&P 2.0 if you like the gun. It is a pleasure to shoot.

I also want to throw the Ruger SR9 in the ring, it is a phenomenal pistol that will take thousands of rounds with no issues in your similar price range.

TruthTellers · July 30, 2018, 12:32 PM

^ In addition to the SR9, the Ruger 9E was the budget model of the SR9. If OP looks hard enough, he'll find them used going for around 200. Probably better made than the Security 9 and it uses the same mags the SR9 pistols do.

I think a couple years ago I had the idea of buying one of those and chopping the grip so it would take SR9c mags and be a better carry gun. Ended up getting a Glock 27 instead.

Cheapshooter · July 30, 2018, 02:26 PM

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But Idk, the 9mm Hi Point can still be fun and cheap to shoot too. It's just if I was to spend $200, I'd rather spend it on something more practical, like an EC9s.

Yup, if ya got more to spend, get something more "mainstream acceptable" LOL. But for someone who can't afford more the Hi-Point is a viable choice for accuracy, and reliability.
Or, if you just have a few bucks to spare, and want another range blaster, Hi-Point fits the bill.
I bought my C-9 a few years back when Hi-Point hate was the in thing. Just to see if could possibly be as bad as the haters claimed. Found out quickly how wrong they were. So much so that when I found a Hi-Point JHP used for under a hundred and a half I added it to the accumulation.
Then the Iraqveteran8888 youtube videos came to light. Those torture tests that once and for all dispelled the myth of Hi-Points being weak, and poorly made. The hate has all but gone away now on most forums.

dwhite · July 30, 2018, 05:00 PM

Be kind of cool to dress one up in Zimbabwe's trillion dollar notes. They're worth like a dime. All those zeros sure would look cool though.

All the Best,
D. White

PushPuller · July 30, 2018, 08:06 PM

The only reason why I don't own a Hi Point is because no gun stores carry them, and it isn't worth the trouble to by one online. But iv played with a couple and aside from being hideous and awkward, they were relatively accurate and never malfunctioned.

FITASC · July 30, 2018, 08:50 PM

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You said budget, get a Hi-Point and go shoot. Most fun you can have for $150 bucks.

Yep, and if it breaks beyond fixing, go buy another and still be $$ ahead.

PushPuller · July 30, 2018, 09:12 PM

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Yep, and if it breaks beyond fixing, go buy another and still be $$ ahead.

I don't know for sure, but at one point in time I think they had an excellent warranty. Iv heard of people sending in all but totally destroyed Hi Points and getting a new pistol back no questions asked. so you might even need to buy another one!

TruthTellers · July 30, 2018, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by PushPuller

I don't know for sure, but at one point in time I think they had an excellent warranty. Iv heard of people sending in all but totally destroyed Hi Points and getting a new pistol back no questions asked. so you might even need to buy another one!

Totally destroyed and not only do they get another pistol, they get a free mag too.

tallball · July 31, 2018, 07:08 AM

Y'all need to be quiet about this Hi-Point thing! You're starting to tempt me!!

pblanc · July 31, 2018, 08:52 AM

If you bring a Hi-Point to the range, everyone else will either move away from you or leave and you will have more room to shoot.

July 24, 2018, 12:44 PM	#52
Bill DeShivs Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2006 Posts: 10,985	The Star safety physically blocks the hammer. Most have inertial firing pins. None have a firing pin block-nor do millions of 1911s and other guns that are still viable for carry. __________________ Bill DeShivs, Master Cutler www.billdeshivs.com

July 25, 2018, 12:31 PM	#53
5whiskey Senior Member Join Date: October 23, 2005 Location: US Posts: 3,657	What Bill said. I am a fan of the FPB, but I'm not afraid to carry a 70 series 1911. Replace the firing pin spring on occasion, and don't drop it (i.e. use a good holster). If it does drop fire from lack of FPB, it would be oriented muzzle down. Not optimal, but at least better than muzzle up. __________________ Support the NRA-ILA Auction, ends 03/09/2018 https://thefiringline.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=593946

July 28, 2018, 10:22 PM	#56
Bill DeShivs Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2006 Posts: 10,985	That person would contact me, and have me make him one. __________________ Bill DeShivs, Master Cutler www.billdeshivs.com

July 28, 2018, 10:42 PM	#57
TruthTellers Senior Member Join Date: October 22, 2016 Posts: 3,887	For cheap fun, you can't beat it: __________________ "We always think there's gonna be more time... then it runs out."

July 29, 2018, 11:19 AM	#59
Cheapshooter Senior Member Join Date: December 2, 2007 Location: Missouri Posts: 8,306	Accuracy for $$$ I have to agree with Truth Tellers. Of the eight 9mm pistols I have from various makers my Hi-Point C-9 is the most accurate. Plus it's been 100% reliable with any ammo I feed it. __________________ Cheapshooter's rules of gun ownership #1: NEVER SELL OR TRADE ANYTHING!

July 28, 2018, 04:40 AM	#54
oughtsix Member Join Date: December 8, 2017 Posts: 20	For a range gun I would look at a RIA 1911 in 9mm. It is really hard to beat a 1911 for a range gun. For a carry gun or a night stand gun "I" don't feel comfortable with cocked and locked so I would probably look at a Beretta, CZ or similar.

July 30, 2018, 10:36 AM	#63
Winny Senior Member Join Date: June 12, 2018 Location: SC, USA Posts: 136	I love my Security 9 but I wouldn't use it as a range gun. The Aluminum chassis and thinner barrel make me think it won't last as long as the Canik. I would spend the extra money and spring for the M&P 2.0 if you like the gun. It is a pleasure to shoot. I also want to throw the Ruger SR9 in the ring, it is a phenomenal pistol that will take thousands of rounds with no issues in your similar price range.

July 30, 2018, 12:32 PM	#64
TruthTellers Senior Member Join Date: October 22, 2016 Posts: 3,887	^ In addition to the SR9, the Ruger 9E was the budget model of the SR9. If OP looks hard enough, he'll find them used going for around 200. Probably better made than the Security 9 and it uses the same mags the SR9 pistols do. I think a couple years ago I had the idea of buying one of those and chopping the grip so it would take SR9c mags and be a better carry gun. Ended up getting a Glock 27 instead. __________________ "We always think there's gonna be more time... then it runs out."

July 30, 2018, 05:00 PM	#66
dwhite Senior Member Join Date: September 2, 2007 Location: Wake County, N. Carolina Posts: 379	Be kind of cool to dress one up in Zimbabwe's trillion dollar notes. They're worth like a dime. All those zeros sure would look cool though. All the Best, D. White __________________ 10th Amendment - The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

July 30, 2018, 08:06 PM	#67
PushPuller Senior Member Join Date: May 1, 2018 Posts: 156	The only reason why I don't own a Hi Point is because no gun stores carry them, and it isn't worth the trouble to by one online. But iv played with a couple and aside from being hideous and awkward, they were relatively accurate and never malfunctioned.

July 31, 2018, 07:08 AM	#71
tallball Senior Member Join Date: October 17, 2014 Posts: 2,444	Y'all need to be quiet about this Hi-Point thing! You're starting to tempt me!!

July 31, 2018, 08:52 AM	#72
pblanc Senior Member Join Date: March 23, 2008 Location: Indiana Posts: 697	If you bring a Hi-Point to the range, everyone else will either move away from you or leave and you will have more room to shoot.