NY Lawmakers Seeking to Severely Restrict Ammo Sales Statewide - Page 2

LogicMan · December 24, 2015, 04:01 PM

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Amusingly, that's yet more proof of the stupidity of these laws. It's perfectly legal to have cases, powder, primers and bullets shipped right to your door... just not in the form of assembled ammo.

Except even that's legal again... except no one will do it....

Just want to make sure I am understanding you right, are you saying that having assembled ammo shipped to your door is legal again...? My understanding is that it remains illegal, but it's just that the state government has no ability to enforce an ammo background check system...?

Also, you say that most businesses won't ship ammo to NY, but are you saying they will ship cases, powder, primers, and bullets, or just that they legally could, but won't...?

Brian Pfleuger · December 24, 2015, 04:16 PM

Well, you know, there's where things get real murky.

First, yes, it is and always has been perfectly legal to have components (cases, powder, primers and bullets) shipped right to your door. The (un)SAFE Act (nor any other law) doesn't address that at all.

Second, technically, the unSAFE Act didn't actually get changed. The law still says that background checks are required. The governors office and state senate signed a "memorandum of understanding" that it is impossible to implement that section of the law and that the section will not be implemented at this time because it is "technologically impossible". Of course, it's NOT technologically impossible, it's FINANCIALLY impossible and would cost BILLIONS. They can't get the money, so they can't do it.

So, for the time being, it is legal to have ammo shipped directly to you. It's just that only some companies will do it. Some will ship only to FFLs. Some will not ship to NY at all.

It's confusion and costly to pay someone to figure it out, many companies just don't bother.... exactly what the antis wanted in the first place.

winchester1917 · December 24, 2015, 04:33 PM

Who will ship ammo directly to a customer in NY??? I don't know of any...

GJSchulze · December 24, 2015, 06:15 PM

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Amusingly, that's yet more proof of the stupidity of these laws. It's perfectly legal to have cases, powder, primers and bullets shipped right to your door...

Ssshhhhhhhhhhhhhh......

Brian Pfleuger · December 24, 2015, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by winchester1917

Who will ship ammo directly to a customer in NY??? I don't know of any...

TargetSportUSA does, and there are others.

winchester1917 · December 24, 2015, 07:46 PM

Ha! That's great! I'd love to get a list of any others. I thought no one was shipping to individuals in NY. I'm happy to be wrong!

LogicMan · December 24, 2015, 09:57 PM

Brian Pfleuger, thank you for the information.

62coltnavy · January 4, 2016, 01:09 AM

"Second, technically, the unSAFE Act didn't actually get changed. The law still says that background checks are required. The governors office and state senate signed a "memorandum of understanding" that it is impossible to implement that section of the law and that the section will not be implemented at this time because it is "technologically impossible". Of course, it's NOT technologically impossible, it's FINANCIALLY impossible and would cost BILLIONS. They can't get the money, so they can't do it."

Meanwhile, in California, Lt. Governor Gavin Newsome (who wants to be the next governor) has filed an initiative petition that would require Californians to obtain an ammo purchase permit (with a background check) in order to buy ammo, limit all ammo sales to face to face transactions (during which another instant background check will be performed), and impose upon ammo dealers record keeping requirements, which records would be reported to the Department of Justice. Supposedly this will only cost "tens of millions" of dollars, and the cost will be offset by the licensing fees for dealers and the $50 permit fee to buyers. Internet sales would still be allowed, but the ammo would have to be shipped to a licensed ammo vendor to complete the transaction. It will also be illegal for a buyer to import ammo from another state (meaning DOJ agents will have paid vacations to the parking lots of gunshows in Nevada and Arizona, maybe even Oregon, where they will photograph license plates of California vehicles, and if they see ammo being loaded into vehicles, they will stop those vehicles on entry into California to check for "contraband.") If the petition receives the required number of signatures in the next 148 days, it will appear on the ballot at the next election.

December 24, 2015, 04:16 PM	#27
Brian Pfleuger Moderator Emeritus Join Date: June 25, 2008 Location: Austin, CO Posts: 19,578	Well, you know, there's where things get real murky. First, yes, it is and always has been perfectly legal to have components (cases, powder, primers and bullets) shipped right to your door. The (un)SAFE Act (nor any other law) doesn't address that at all. Second, technically, the unSAFE Act didn't actually get changed. The law still says that background checks are required. The governors office and state senate signed a "memorandum of understanding" that it is impossible to implement that section of the law and that the section will not be implemented at this time because it is "technologically impossible". Of course, it's NOT technologically impossible, it's FINANCIALLY impossible and would cost BILLIONS. They can't get the money, so they can't do it. So, for the time being, it is legal to have ammo shipped directly to you. It's just that only some companies will do it. Some will ship only to FFLs. Some will not ship to NY at all. It's confusion and costly to pay someone to figure it out, many companies just don't bother.... exactly what the antis wanted in the first place. __________________ Nobody plans to screw up their lives... ...they just don't plan not to. -Andy Stanley

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December 24, 2015, 04:33 PM	#28
winchester1917 Senior Member Join Date: April 11, 2013 Posts: 115	Who will ship ammo directly to a customer in NY??? I don't know of any...

December 24, 2015, 07:46 PM	#31
winchester1917 Senior Member Join Date: April 11, 2013 Posts: 115	Ha! That's great! I'd love to get a list of any others. I thought no one was shipping to individuals in NY. I'm happy to be wrong!

December 24, 2015, 09:57 PM	#32
LogicMan Senior Member Join Date: January 16, 2013 Posts: 280	Brian Pfleuger, thank you for the information.

January 4, 2016, 01:09 AM	#33
62coltnavy Senior Member Join Date: February 1, 2011 Posts: 356	"Second, technically, the unSAFE Act didn't actually get changed. The law still says that background checks are required. The governors office and state senate signed a "memorandum of understanding" that it is impossible to implement that section of the law and that the section will not be implemented at this time because it is "technologically impossible". Of course, it's NOT technologically impossible, it's FINANCIALLY impossible and would cost BILLIONS. They can't get the money, so they can't do it." Meanwhile, in California, Lt. Governor Gavin Newsome (who wants to be the next governor) has filed an initiative petition that would require Californians to obtain an ammo purchase permit (with a background check) in order to buy ammo, limit all ammo sales to face to face transactions (during which another instant background check will be performed), and impose upon ammo dealers record keeping requirements, which records would be reported to the Department of Justice. Supposedly this will only cost "tens of millions" of dollars, and the cost will be offset by the licensing fees for dealers and the $50 permit fee to buyers. Internet sales would still be allowed, but the ammo would have to be shipped to a licensed ammo vendor to complete the transaction. It will also be illegal for a buyer to import ammo from another state (meaning DOJ agents will have paid vacations to the parking lots of gunshows in Nevada and Arizona, maybe even Oregon, where they will photograph license plates of California vehicles, and if they see ammo being loaded into vehicles, they will stop those vehicles on entry into California to check for "contraband.") If the petition receives the required number of signatures in the next 148 days, it will appear on the ballot at the next election.