Chinese vs Turkish guns!

[Super-Dave]

Okay the market seems to be getting more and more saturated with chinese and turkish made shotguns.

Which of the two makes the better pump and better autoloader and which models?

[hogdogs]

I wouldn't know, Both are countries I do not care to buy from when american offerings are available at right fair prices...

Brent
P.S. You do realize it is pretty early in the week for your oner per VS. thread... I got my on you this week

[oletymer]

I don't care. I won't buy any guns made in either country. Both make cheap guns. The Chinese look cheap and the Turks make them look fairly decent is the difference.

[zippy13]

Super-Dave, it seems you're trolling just a little.

From TFL's FAQ's...
"Troll - someone posting with the purpose of inflaming or starting an emotional
response... basically done by jerks with nothing better to do with their spare time."

[Super-Dave]

No actually I have been thinking of buying a cheap non american autoloader or pump for a truck gun and I am looking for experienced feedback.

At the local gun store all they have on their shelves are turkish or chineese shotguns. Not one remington or mossberg in stock.

[zippy13]

Your topic reads with a lot less potential contention with the let's get ready to ruble aspect removed. Thanks
It's a sad sign of the times when your local gun shop doesn't inventory any domestic entry level auto-loaders. If we're going xenophobic, you might also mention the guns from the Baikal region of Russian Siberia.

[Shpadoinkel]

Check out Pardner Pumps. Great guns for a great price. Made in China.

I have a Pardner Protector and absolutely love it. All parts, save for barrels, are interchangeable with 870's. And you don't have to worry about extractor issues.


...please forgive me, but I'm never going to return to this thread for what it is about to turn into.

[Super-Dave]

Yeah no lie.

The only gun shop in my small town does not sell anything other than charles daily's, pardner pumps, tristars and various other shotgun from 3rd world nations.

Although they did have a very very rusty used remington 870 express for $250.00

[hogdogs]

It would be well worth the trip to a different store that sells at a minimum, a mossberg semi auto SG...
Brent

[ebutler462]

I have had good luck with a couple of Stoeger 2000s made in Istanbul. Over the past five or so years they have been very reliable.

I have a neighbor that loves his Stoeger p-350.

A few members have had good luck with the Chinese made 870 clones.

I wish that there were more American made gun mfgrs. They just can't compete price wise with the foreign made third world gun makers.

I wish everyone luck in finding parts for the Chinese guns.

[Firepower!]

They are both decent except that I favor Chinese a bit more. This is becuase I have noticed that the firing pin spring on Turkish ones are weak.

To me they are all foriegn made. However, i am not the sort that discriminates against a particular origin. In todays global market one cannot even afford to.

Turks are now making some great semi auto that are as good as others, but cheaper.

[jlv08]

If objectivity is the rule here, Then I'd err on the side of the Chinese offerings.

I have no experience with Turkish firearms and will not attempt rate or berate a firearm without an objective observation and some trigger time with the gun or maker in question.

So far, political inclinations aside, the Chinese offerings are solid ,tough shotguns.

I like the Chinese SKS and I feel that the Chicoms take the same approach to reliability with their SKS rifles and apply it to their shotguns.

[oneounceload]

The only gun shop in my small town does not sell anything other than charles daily's, pardner pumps, tristars and various other shotgun from 3rd world nations.

Since this is supposed to be a "truck" gun, that means you have transportation. Try driving to a place with a better selection. Go to Kevin's in Tally for a selection of guns from cheap to very nice. Or try a local pawn shop in another town and buy a used 870 or 500

[Super-Dave]

Yes I could drive to the gander mountain in Jacksonville florida.

However I like to try to keep business local in my small town. Enough people are losing jobs already.

Honestly the the finish on the charles daily's they have at the local gun store looks much better than the finish on any remington 870's I have seen.

Just an observation

[hogdogs]

Get a peek at a mossberg and you will likely say it is as fine as any imported gun... If you worry about your local folks losing jobs, howz about suggesting the shop sell some american made guns and keep a few out of state fellow americans employed... Why give a crap about local folks while looking at chinese, turk or russian junkers?

Like wipin' before you crap... just don't make sense to me...
Brent

[oneounceload]

Honestly the the finish on the charles daily's they have at the local gun store looks much better than the finish on any remington 870's I have seen.

Finishes don't mean squat as to reliability - lipstick on a pig doesn't change the fact that it is still a pig

However I like to try to keep business local in my small town. Enough people are losing jobs already.

Admirable thought, but there are enough small local shops in small towns nearby in every FL town that I have been through

[ENC]

Repeating shotguns is still one thing America does better than anyone else in my opinion. If your store doesn't stock em they are handicapping you from the start and ensuring future sales I guess.

Evan

[jlv08]

I will state that the folks here who slam guns due to their place of origin are not doing this board or themselves any good by stealing the topic to make political hay regarding ones choice of what they want to buy.

The parts for some of these guns are being brought in by American companies and Remington is a major player in doing just that.

All of the major manufacturers are building or importing guns to meet the demand and the price point that consumers demand when looking to purchase a gun.

The big manufacturers could care less if they get parts fom ,Turkey, Russia, China, Taiwan, etc. They'll get 'em anyway.

The "save American jobs" mantra is noble but I'm not so sure now that, since NAFTA and other trade agreements that have been put in place, have placed us squarely in a global economy.

What is really funny is that most folks seem to be calling the imported offering as "truck guns".

The Express shotguns manufactured of late should be relegated as "truck guns" or another term would be "ornate club" as is the case with some of the guns that folks have had the bad fortune to malfunction new out of the box,

Yes, I would suggest a domestic make over a foreign gun truth be told,
but will also say that there is not a danged thing wrong with the Hawks, Pardner Pumps, Interstates, or other makes of Chinese origin, other than the fact that some folks, who have no objective experience with these guns, find it easy to slam them because of the fact that they are made in China or whereever else in the world.

I base my opinions on experience and I have experience with the Parner Pump and the Interstate gun in the form of the Hawk 982. That experience has been nothing but good.

The Chinesemakes are excellent guns and may even rise to the exalted appointment of being used as a "truck gun"!

[Lawyer Daggit]

As China does not allow private firearms ownership I will not purchase Chinese made firearms.

Seems to me all people who are buying them are doing is buying a cheap gun (albeit one that may be quite serviceable) that is produced by poorly paid labour in a country largely lacking OH&S laws- and that no one else can compete with on price.

This erodes the position of businesses at home that support the RTBA.

[hogdogs]

Actually it was the thread starter who stated he was shopping for a "truck gun" personally, if I were after a truck gun, it would have to be american made so i could get parts immediately, not wait 6 months for a slow boat from china to arrive.

Mossberg has a few imported models but for the majority they are American made in 2 different factories employing at least a few American Citizens... Charles Daly makes NONE... I bet the entire american force in that firm is a very small number...

I personally do not have respect for re-branded items! Ford ranger=Mazda Chevy S-10=Isuzu Chevy Duramax engine=ISUZU Small dodge trucks are Mitsubishi...

If at all possible I buy American BUILT!
Brent

[churchill]

your in look mate........here in england we have imports coming in for years now.....some of the turkish makes are good....tryed and tested here in the uk..hatsan escorts are big hitters here only costing around £300 brand new..semi autos..

chinese guns are not available here though....
although the italians make excellent shotguns at good prices..

[NightSleeper]

Okay the market seems to be getting more and more saturated with chineese and turkish made shotguns.

Which of the two makes the better pump and better autoloader and which models?

Mama Mia!! Whatsamatterwhichyou?? Never heard of Beretta, Benelli?

Stick with Italiana!

[jlv08]

Back to Superdave and his original inquiry.

I have experience with the Pardner Pumps and the Hawk/Interstate 982 and they are excellent guns. PERIOD.

I do not have any info on the semi's as I prefer to rack a slide .

Racking the slide gives me a warm fuzzy and I've had more than my share of misfeeds with semi's to trust a hunt or my life to them when needed.

Those misfeeds occurred with DOMESTIC offerings.

I have heard anything bad about the semi's that are imported toeven give a comment.

[Cornhusker77]

Hi, new guy here, and I'm just gonna jump in with both feet.
A little LGS has both the Turkish made Escort and the Chinese Pardner Pump Protector, and here's a couple of observations.
The Pardner is a LOT heavier than the Escort, and the Escort seemed smoother when I worked the action.
That being said, I bought the Pardner.
It was a hundred bucks cheaper and it's an 870 clone, so all the 870 furniture and other frills will fit it. The barrel is the only thing that I know of that won't interchange.

[oneounceload]

Yes, I would suggest a domestic make over a foreign gun truth be told,
but will also say that there is not a danged thing wrong with the Hawks, Pardner Pumps, Interstates, or other makes of Chinese origin, other than the fact that some folks, who have no objective experience with these guns, find it easy to slam them because of the fact that they are made in China or whereever else in the world.

Nothing wrong with those cheap imported POS if you like initial purchase price over long term quality......and it seems you are one who bases your decision based on that criteria. Read my sig line and you'll see MY preference

As far as other countries, Italy, England, Belgium all make great guns.....