M1 Garand ejecting clip after 3-4 rounds

Logs · October 14, 2019, 06:01 AM

Took the Garand out last weekend and the clip was ejecting after 3-4 rounds. Did some searching and figured it may be the clip latch spring so I replaced it now twice. This week I picked up a new clip latch and op rod spring and still have the same issues.

*So far I have used multiple clips - Ones on the Greek ammo and Ones that came from CMP with the Garand.
*Two different Clip Latch Springs.
*New Op rod spring
*Replaced Clip Latch and pin

Yesterday three rounds on two clips and ammo would pop up, but not ping out. Then the third clip was able to make it to round four before coming up and sitting in the receiver.

Not sure what to try next???????

Bart B. · October 14, 2019, 08:41 AM

You need one of these gauges to check the clip eject timing.

https://www.ammogarand.com/m1-garand...ing-bloc1.html

Sometimes a new op rod arm is needed. There's a couple other fixes I now forget.

Contact Fulton Armory about the fix.

Nodak1858 · October 14, 2019, 01:32 PM

Check this out,
https://m1-garand-rifle.com/garand-troubleshooting.php

**Unclenick** · October 14, 2019, 03:59 PM

This may be redundant with respect to the linked-to information, but what op-rod spring are you using? A number of folks have experienced timing issues with weak old springs or, at the other extreme, with the Wolff extra power Garand op-rod springs. Garandgear.com has new op-rod springs custom-wound that match the original military new spring specs for size, strength, mass, and spring factor.

Logs · October 14, 2019, 05:46 PM

Thanks for the links. I'll look into it.

As for the op rod spring I picked it up at the Machine Gun Shoot at Knob Creek this weekend. It's a stainless new manufacture don't know the brand.

Nodak1858 · October 14, 2019, 08:14 PM

I would check the nub height on the bullet guide. Believe it should be around .179.

Orlando · October 15, 2019, 05:09 AM

First make sure you are using USGI enblocs
Scond- as suggested measure lobe on bullet guide or replace

T. O'Heir · October 15, 2019, 01:53 PM

Covered in the trouble shooting chapter of Hatcher's Book of the Garand.
Also in TM-23-5 and TM-9-1275(That is not an "Ordanance" anything) found here. Might take some rummaging in the TM.
Note the need for the provided UN & PW.
http://www.biggerhammer.net/manuals/
It's clearly not the clip latch or its spring. Or the op-rod spring. I suspect it'll be the follower arm being bent.

Dfariswheel · October 15, 2019, 06:27 PM

Depending on when you bought the M1 from the CMP and if it's under a warranty, contact them.
They will probably help you diagnose the problem and may send you new parts or offer to repair it.

DnPRK · October 17, 2019, 12:19 AM

Nodak1858 got it. Replace the bullet guide.

Logs · October 29, 2019, 05:23 AM

Bullet Guide fixed it. Runs fine now. THANK YOU

Brit · October 29, 2019, 11:06 AM

Not sure if it is true, I heard the General who ditched the idea of magazines? Because it was more difficult to drill with magazine-fed rifles? Was not Court Marshalled, and drummed out of his job! If it was true? How many deaths could be credited to the 8 at a time feed, and ping when the clip bounses off a rock?

My mark 4 Enfield had a ten-round magazine, plus you could feed .303 rimmed rounds, singly, or 5 at a time. All whilst being prone. Fastest bolt action around.

And those magazines were hefty. Steel.

Bart B. · October 29, 2019, 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brit

My mark 4 Enfield had a ten-round magazine, plus you could feed .303 rimmed rounds, singly, or 5 at a time. All whilst being prone. Fastest bolt action around.

And those magazines were hefty. Steel.

Ever watched a USA NRA highpower competitive shooter in a rapid fire match reloading pre '64 Winchester 70 nine times in 43 seconds putting 10 shots inside 4 inches at 200 or 300 yards from 30-06 ammo? Last 5 rounds charged the magazine from a stripper clip.

Brit · October 29, 2019, 04:14 PM

Bart sounds great, I was just a Signalman. 19 years of age, good luck to the fine USA competitors!

How about the no magazines, just stripper 8 round clips? So drills could be done, any truth in that?

Nodak1858 · October 29, 2019, 09:05 PM

The ping signaling the enemy to attach is a myth that keeps going. Much like frozen coats will stop a 30 carbine bullet.

Nodak1858 · October 29, 2019, 09:06 PM

Plus dumping in a enbloc is fast, having someone jump up and run at you would be met with another 8 rounds of 30 cal real fast.
Fellow here is pretty quick and I'm sure living with a Garand for months on end GIs could do it faster.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OiTJOz1XFGA

Brit · October 30, 2019, 04:35 AM

Just spent a half-hour? With Hicock 45, very interesting. Where he showed the Garand/M14 side by side. I now have a much better idea of the two operating systems.

One issue was shown if you only had one twenty round magazine! And lost it, or it became inoperable, for whatever reason? You were really screwed!

A bag, or pocket full of 8 round clips, which the ammunition was issued in, you were good to go. And loading single rounds or from 5 round clips was possible.

The difference in weight between the M16 and the .30 calibre rifles, really was significant. Especially in the heat and humidity of a jungle.

Bart B. · October 31, 2019, 11:17 AM

Best example of Garand's rapid fire abilities is when one is used to shoot 24 rounds into a one foot group in 50 seconds. At 600 yards. Centered on a silhouette target.

Brit · November 2, 2019, 06:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bart B.

Best example of Garand's rapid fire abilities is when one is used to shoot 24 rounds into a one foot group in 50 seconds. At 600 yards. Centered on a silhouette target.

That is incredible! Fast forward to the M16! Twenty round magazine, full of 5.56 wee bullets, at nearly 3000 ft per second! Held over cover, then empty magazine, on full auto.
A military peep sight, so precise.

October 14, 2019, 06:01 AM	#1
Logs Senior Member Join Date: November 26, 1999 Location: BLUEGRASS STATE KY USA Posts: 1,780	M1 Garand ejecting clip after 3-4 rounds Took the Garand out last weekend and the clip was ejecting after 3-4 rounds. Did some searching and figured it may be the clip latch spring so I replaced it now twice. This week I picked up a new clip latch and op rod spring and still have the same issues. So far I have used multiple clips - Ones on the Greek ammo and Ones that came from CMP with the Garand. Two different Clip Latch Springs. New Op rod spring Replaced Clip Latch and pin Yesterday three rounds on two clips and ammo would pop up, but not ping out. Then the third clip was able to make it to round four before coming up and sitting in the receiver. Not sure what to try next??????? __________________ NRA LIFE MEMBER

October 14, 2019, 08:41 AM	#2
Bart B. Senior Member Join Date: February 15, 2009 Posts: 8,927	You need one of these gauges to check the clip eject timing. https://www.ammogarand.com/m1-garand...ing-bloc1.html Sometimes a new op rod arm is needed. There's a couple other fixes I now forget. Contact Fulton Armory about the fix. Last edited by Bart B.; October 14, 2019 at 09:39 AM.

October 14, 2019, 01:32 PM	#3
Nodak1858 Senior Member Join Date: September 7, 2009 Location: N. Dakota Posts: 435	Check this out, https://m1-garand-rifle.com/garand-troubleshooting.php __________________ We've all heard that a million monkeys banging on a million typewriters will eventually reproduce the entire works of Shakespeare. Now, thanks to the Internet, we know this is not true.

October 14, 2019, 03:59 PM	#4
Unclenick Staff Join Date: March 4, 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 21,063	This may be redundant with respect to the linked-to information, but what op-rod spring are you using? A number of folks have experienced timing issues with weak old springs or, at the other extreme, with the Wolff extra power Garand op-rod springs. Garandgear.com has new op-rod springs custom-wound that match the original military new spring specs for size, strength, mass, and spring factor. __________________ Gunsite Orange Hat Family Member CMP Certified GSM Master Instructor NRA Certified Rifle Instructor NRA Benefactor Member and Golden Eagle

October 14, 2019, 05:46 PM	#5
Logs Senior Member Join Date: November 26, 1999 Location: BLUEGRASS STATE KY USA Posts: 1,780	Thanks for the links. I'll look into it. As for the op rod spring I picked it up at the Machine Gun Shoot at Knob Creek this weekend. It's a stainless new manufacture don't know the brand. __________________ NRA LIFE MEMBER

October 14, 2019, 08:14 PM	#6
Nodak1858 Senior Member Join Date: September 7, 2009 Location: N. Dakota Posts: 435	I would check the nub height on the bullet guide. Believe it should be around .179. __________________ We've all heard that a million monkeys banging on a million typewriters will eventually reproduce the entire works of Shakespeare. Now, thanks to the Internet, we know this is not true.

October 15, 2019, 05:09 AM	#7
Orlando Senior Member Join Date: May 2, 2009 Posts: 352	First make sure you are using USGI enblocs Scond- as suggested measure lobe on bullet guide or replace

October 15, 2019, 01:53 PM	#8
T. O'Heir Senior Member Join Date: February 13, 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 12,453	Covered in the trouble shooting chapter of Hatcher's Book of the Garand. Also in TM-23-5 and TM-9-1275(That is not an "Ordanance" anything) found here. Might take some rummaging in the TM. Note the need for the provided UN & PW. http://www.biggerhammer.net/manuals/ It's clearly not the clip latch or its spring. Or the op-rod spring. I suspect it'll be the follower arm being bent. __________________ Spelling and grammar count!

October 15, 2019, 06:27 PM	#9
Dfariswheel Senior Member Join Date: May 4, 2001 Posts: 7,478	Depending on when you bought the M1 from the CMP and if it's under a warranty, contact them. They will probably help you diagnose the problem and may send you new parts or offer to repair it.

October 17, 2019, 12:19 AM	#10
DnPRK Senior Member Join Date: August 24, 2001 Location: LC, Ca Posts: 1,917	Nodak1858 got it. Replace the bullet guide.

October 29, 2019, 05:23 AM	#11
Logs Senior Member Join Date: November 26, 1999 Location: BLUEGRASS STATE KY USA Posts: 1,780	Bullet Guide fixed it. Runs fine now. THANK YOU __________________ NRA LIFE MEMBER

October 29, 2019, 11:06 AM	#12
Brit Senior Member Join Date: January 29, 2005 Location: Orlando FL Posts: 1,934	Not sure if it is true, I heard the General who ditched the idea of magazines? Because it was more difficult to drill with magazine-fed rifles? Was not Court Marshalled, and drummed out of his job! If it was true? How many deaths could be credited to the 8 at a time feed, and ping when the clip bounses off a rock? My mark 4 Enfield had a ten-round magazine, plus you could feed .303 rimmed rounds, singly, or 5 at a time. All whilst being prone. Fastest bolt action around. And those magazines were hefty. Steel.

October 29, 2019, 04:14 PM	#14
Brit Senior Member Join Date: January 29, 2005 Location: Orlando FL Posts: 1,934	Bart sounds great, I was just a Signalman. 19 years of age, good luck to the fine USA competitors! How about the no magazines, just stripper 8 round clips? So drills could be done, any truth in that?

October 29, 2019, 09:05 PM	#15
Nodak1858 Senior Member Join Date: September 7, 2009 Location: N. Dakota Posts: 435	The ping signaling the enemy to attach is a myth that keeps going. Much like frozen coats will stop a 30 carbine bullet. __________________ We've all heard that a million monkeys banging on a million typewriters will eventually reproduce the entire works of Shakespeare. Now, thanks to the Internet, we know this is not true.

October 29, 2019, 09:06 PM	#16
Nodak1858 Senior Member Join Date: September 7, 2009 Location: N. Dakota Posts: 435	Plus dumping in a enbloc is fast, having someone jump up and run at you would be met with another 8 rounds of 30 cal real fast. Fellow here is pretty quick and I'm sure living with a Garand for months on end GIs could do it faster. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OiTJOz1XFGA __________________ We've all heard that a million monkeys banging on a million typewriters will eventually reproduce the entire works of Shakespeare. Now, thanks to the Internet, we know this is not true.

October 30, 2019, 04:35 AM	#17
Brit Senior Member Join Date: January 29, 2005 Location: Orlando FL Posts: 1,934	Just spent a half-hour? With Hicock 45, very interesting. Where he showed the Garand/M14 side by side. I now have a much better idea of the two operating systems. One issue was shown if you only had one twenty round magazine! And lost it, or it became inoperable, for whatever reason? You were really screwed! A bag, or pocket full of 8 round clips, which the ammunition was issued in, you were good to go. And loading single rounds or from 5 round clips was possible. The difference in weight between the M16 and the .30 calibre rifles, really was significant. Especially in the heat and humidity of a jungle.

October 31, 2019, 11:17 AM	#18
Bart B. Senior Member Join Date: February 15, 2009 Posts: 8,927	Best example of Garand's rapid fire abilities is when one is used to shoot 24 rounds into a one foot group in 50 seconds. At 600 yards. Centered on a silhouette target.