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Old January 1, 2020, 05:06 PM   #26
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I see what Ruger is doing tho, they're going to offer a 5.7 pistol for hundreds less than the Five-Seven and that is going to open the 5.7 market up a lot. I just would rather see it done for 7.62x25 because I believe that's a better pistol caliber.
Didn't Ruger offer a 7.62x25 in the 90s in a P series?

I don't hate this pistol, and I like the look of that thumb safety. I don't see the market for a full sized, ultra loud 22-ish pistol that costs a lot to shoot.
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Old January 1, 2020, 05:59 PM   #27
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It was the Ruger P89X that came with an additional 30 Luger barrel.
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Old January 1, 2020, 09:23 PM   #28
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22 TCM for better ballistics at that size of barrel.

Ugh, poor but great round isn't going to make it.
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Old January 2, 2020, 05:58 AM   #29
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I too like my 22TCM, especially with the option of the extra 9mm conversion and availability of a bolt action rifle.
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Old January 2, 2020, 07:19 AM   #30
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Didn't Ruger offer a 7.62x25 in the 90s in a P series?

I don't hate this pistol, and I like the look of that thumb safety. I don't see the market for a full sized, ultra loud 22-ish pistol that costs a lot to shoot.
You're thinking of the 7.65×21mm Para/.30 Luger there zukiphile.
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Old January 2, 2020, 03:03 PM   #31
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I've always wanted an FN FiveseveN, but at over $1000, it's too expensive for my taste.
If you are concerned about the price of a FiveseveN, wait until you find out that factory 5.7x28mm costs about 3x as much as factory 9x19mm.

I honestly find this an odd product for Ruger. They may sell a bunch of them based on the cool factor (as least for a while - and maybe that's what they are counting on), but something makes me think there will be a lot of low-round-count Ruger-57s sitting around in a few years.

And maybe I'm wrong altogether and this pistol is super-popular and drives down 5.7x28mm costs.
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Old January 2, 2020, 03:31 PM   #32
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I too like my 22TCM, especially with the option of the extra 9mm conversion and availability of a bolt action rifle.
.22 TCM is far more powerful in a handgun than the 5.7 is, but because it's not a sexy looking bullet and is only available in Filipino made 1911's, few are interested in it. There's also the unique look of the P90 and its 50 rd magazine, the movies and video games that feature the P90 that has led to it having a bit of a cult following.

So, while .22 TCM is better and has a lot more potential, it's a waste to bother with until the industry realizes its capabilities.
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Old January 2, 2020, 03:39 PM   #33
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If you are concerned about the price of a FiveseveN, wait until you find out that factory 5.7x28mm costs about 3x as much as factory 9x19mm.

I honestly find this an odd product for Ruger. They may sell a bunch of them based on the cool factor (as least for a while - and maybe that's what they are counting on), but something makes me think there will be a lot of low-round-count Ruger-57s sitting around in a few years.

And maybe I'm wrong altogether and this pistol is super-popular and drives down 5.7x28mm costs.
Time will tell, but what has stopped 5.7 from going anywhere in the civilian market has been FN's $1000 pistol and in the US the SBR laws preventing the P90 in its true configuration from being owned free of the registration hassle.

I don't think Ruger is planning on selling a bunch of 5.7's and one of those reasons is that there will inevitably be a lot of used one's for sale.

Which is why I'm getting the feeling that Ruger designed this frame to be compatible with more than 5.7 ammo, they were likely thinking of other long pistol cartridges they could make, specifically .38 Super and 7.62x25.

You can't tell me a polymer 13+1 .38 Super for $600 wouldn't appeal to a segment of the US market or that it wouldn't take the Mexican and European markets by storm.
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Old January 2, 2020, 04:16 PM   #34
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.22 TCM is far more powerful in a handgun than the 5.7 is, but because it's not a sexy looking bullet and is only available in Filipino made 1911's, few are interested in it. There's also the unique look of the P90 and its 50 rd magazine, the movies and video games that feature the P90 that has led to it having a bit of a cult following.

So, while .22 TCM is better and has a lot more potential, it's a waste to bother with until the industry realizes its capabilities.
While the 22TCm may be better on paper, my experience with it left a lot to be desired. I had both the 5” 1911 and the rifle, neither of them were overly accurate. Given the sporadic nature of the issue, I’m fairly certain my issues stemmed from the Armscor ammo. One box would shoot with a nice grouping thG faired similar to my other pistols, another would be double that size. After 6 months of that, I gave up and sold them both.

I love the concept of the 22TCM, but until someone else makes the ammo I wouldn’t touch it again. I’d much rather go with the 5.7 strictly for more consistent ammo.
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Old January 2, 2020, 05:13 PM   #35
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While the 22TCm may be better on paper, my experience with it left a lot to be desired. I had both the 5” 1911 and the rifle, neither of them were overly accurate. Given the sporadic nature of the issue, I’m fairly certain my issues stemmed from the Armscor ammo. One box would shoot with a nice grouping thG faired similar to my other pistols, another would be double that size. After 6 months of that, I gave up and sold them both.

I love the concept of the 22TCM, but until someone else makes the ammo I wouldn’t touch it again. I’d much rather go with the 5.7 strictly for more consistent ammo.
Good point on the ammo, I feel the same way with 5.7 as the Federal stuff is very meh and the FN stuff is pricey.

I don't think either are worth bothering with currently, not when 7.62x25 pistols are available for $250 and the ammo is available under $20 a box. Even if the performance on paper is inconsistent, you didn't pay a lot for the gun.
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Old January 2, 2020, 07:05 PM   #36
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I'll take one in 7.62x25, these may be fun but the ammo cost is still a factor for me. I am glad that they are bringing out new guns and designs though.
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Old January 3, 2020, 06:49 PM   #37
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Gunbuyer.com has it at 740 dollars.

Hard nope.

With the Kel Tec hammer the Ruger is obviously using, this price is way out of line.


https://www.gunbuyer.com/ruger-57-5-...0-1-16401.html
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Old January 4, 2020, 01:36 AM   #38
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I'm wondering if the delayed-blowback action would stand up to .38 super, 7.62x25, or 10mm.

Seems like everyone is excited about the possibility of a PC carbine in 5.7, but that doesn't seem interesting to me unless it takes P90 mags, and still not even then unless ammo comes down in price.
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Old January 4, 2020, 03:03 AM   #39
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I'm wondering if the delayed-blowback action would stand up to .38 super, 7.62x25, or 10mm.

Seems like everyone is excited about the possibility of a PC carbine in 5.7, but that doesn't seem interesting to me unless it takes P90 mags, and still not even then unless ammo comes down in price.
If you want P90 mags, buy a P90. A 16 inch P90 is not as practical as the 10 inch barrel is, but that's and SBR and you can thank the 73rd Congress and Franklin D. Roosevelt for the NFA Act.

If Ruger wanted to make something unique and would actually improve upon the P90, they should make a bullpup that uses the 57's mags. That way it avoids the NFA, is still fairly compact, and gets even more out of the cartridge.

With Ruger tho, they're probably going to slap it in the PC Carbine and advertise it as "Even more fun to shoot."
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Old January 4, 2020, 10:45 AM   #41
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A lightweight bullpup thats half the price of a P90? Maybe have it take these new ruger 20 rd mags. I'd buy 2.
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Old January 4, 2020, 12:13 PM   #42
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I hit up a local shop the other day, picked up a CZ75B on sale. As I was filing paperwork I asked if they had anything new, he said they got in a Ruger 5.7. I had just found out these existed earlier this week. He took it out and I got to paw it for a bit. Light gun, fits the hand nicely. I have more than my fair share of 7.62x25 pistols and a Glock in 22TCM9, but thinking I may have to investigate the 5.7 a bit more. I never gave them mush thought before due to how much they were asking for guns chambered in them. But Ruger has brought the price into the realm of "I may need another caliber" zone
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Old January 4, 2020, 01:05 PM   #43
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You can actually thank organized crime committing horrible massacres, domestic terrorism, armed robbery, and general murder for the NFA. The general population did not own these weapons back then and the Act had huge popular support due to so many kids being butchered to pieces during these crimes.

But let's random say "thank Roosevelt"

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You can actually thank organized crime committing horrible massacres, domestic terrorism, armed robbery, and general murder for the NFA. The general population did not own these weapons back then and the Act had huge popular support due to so many kids being butchered to pieces during these crimes.

But let's random say "thank Roosevelt"
Not to get too far of topic, but NFA was more of knee jerk reaction to the Bonus Army Riots than anything else.
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sad commentary on Ruger's R&D. that looks very much like they are ignoring the lines that have started earning them a modicum of respect and instead are trying to copy the S&W M&P 1.0 line.
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Old January 5, 2020, 02:23 PM   #46
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That makes little sense.

The military members were pro NFA...

https://books.google.com/books?id=OP...%20nfa&f=false


Even this says public was outraged by murder with these weapons.

Sorry. If public opinion was pro NFA, these side ideas don't add up.
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sad commentary on Ruger's R&D. that looks very much like they are ignoring the lines that have started earning them a modicum of respect and instead are trying to copy the S&W M&P 1.0 line.
Can you elaborate? I owned a number of M&Ps and I'm trying to figure out what you are saying.

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Old January 6, 2020, 06:58 AM   #48
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22 TCM is far more powerful in a handgun than the 5.7 is,
Care to elaborate?
Advertised MV for the TCM is 1875 fps from a five inch barrel. 40 grain bullet.
For the 5.7, it is 1890 fps.
Premium ammo from Elite is at 2100 fps ($)
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That makes little sense.

The military members were pro NFA...

https://books.google.com/books?id=OP...%20nfa&f=false


Even this says public was outraged by murder with these weapons.

Sorry. If public opinion was pro NFA, these side ideas don't add up.
The NFA was in 1930's not the 1960's, you are confusing the NFA of 1934 with GCA of 1968 there wild cat mccane.
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