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October 20, 2008, 05:45 AM | #51 |
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heres some mods to make it the most effective hd.
tactial light on the feed tube w lithium batteries. pistol grip w folding stock. also remove the plug if its still there, u should get 8-9 shells in the tube.{reinstall if u go hunting }. and a small key ring on the feed tube for hanging on the closet hook. |
October 20, 2008, 06:16 PM | #52 |
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this guy kills me
The fact that I'm not going to lock myself in a bedroom and whispering into a telephone on hold probably calling for Law Enforcement rather then my take on such a situation as to keep quiet and keep my senses going as to how many intruders etc etc ETC and THEN take the prudent steps whether it is to fire or holler out a HALT when my shotgun is pointed in their direction, just flips me out.
You go girl! hide in your bedroom and whisper into an "on hold" telephone while the BG's hear you and make it to your area, not for me, not saying I wouldn't call 911 but the way you put it as to what you would do then make me sound like some kind of Rambo type because I take a more wise course of action under such circumstances. Don't forget to turn on your bedroom light first, a lit up crack under the door sure juice up your circumstances a lot. I'm saying that that course of action to me sounds just plain stupid as a course of pre drilled type action to take. I will rely on my senses and what's going on before I'd do anything other then grab my piece and wait, wait not for an excuse to pop someone but wait, wait for additional info to avail itself to me etc. You have some nerve the more I think of it with your post. In a small residence you'd be shot if the assailant or would be robber had more ill intentions then just swipping your 25" television set, with your proceedure. No, I say grab a piece, listen, wait, listen, wait, listen...before any action is taken, unless of course the intruder is in your face immediately. I wouldn't turn my back to the door and fiddle with a telephone, you are correct in quoting me on that |
October 20, 2008, 07:22 PM | #53 |
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Tis better to have a gun stuck to your hip than one stuck to your head.Go ahead and carry while home,you'll feel sexy.
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October 20, 2008, 08:18 PM | #54 | |
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Since the photo was taken, I've re-installed the OEM safety. |
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October 20, 2008, 08:56 PM | #55 |
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Zippy13 accuses me of critisizing his "probable course of action", when in fact all I did was explain that it was not a viable option for me and specifically why it's not.
zippy I don't critisize your plan, it';s YOUR plan after all. You can stand in defense of yourself and your wife with a baseball bat, a telephone, your bare fists, pepper spray, a kitchen knife or your incredible kung fo skills for that matter. These are your choices. But you DO critisize people who choose a different plan than yours. My wifes 590 has been used for many things, dogs killing the kids rabbits, rattlesnakes in the yard (several times per year), ect, ect. In the event of someone breaking into my home, it will come into play again and it's a pretty effective tool in my rural part of AZ. To use the term "murder" in connection with law abiding American citizens protecting their families, that's beyond the pale. If you feel that way about it then do what you gotta do but if you want to hang the "murderer" tag on legal, law abiding actions by home owners you won't find much sympathy towards your view in the United States of America. I have no desire to kill another human being, I won't however have my family abused by criminals. JTMcC. |
October 20, 2008, 09:53 PM | #56 | |
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Do what you wish. Realizing while it may be right for you in your circumstances, it probably isn't right for everyone or anyone else. Either way stay safe and I sincerely hope NONE of us here ever have to actually be involved in a home invasion/robbery in our own homes. |
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October 21, 2008, 01:05 AM | #57 | |
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Man! I hate it when that happens! I'm sure glad you found it and it turned out well.
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October 21, 2008, 05:09 AM | #58 |
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So much depends on size of residence
Like in a movie, wife hears something stirring downstairs, she calls police while hubby wakes up and grabs a baseball bat or something. In a smaller world (smaller residence) the above choices may not be available to you. My point is one may not have such time and thusly would act accordingly to protect one's life not spending time fiddling in the dark to call for help. Can see it now, "hold on down there Mister BG, I can't find my reading glasses in the dark to call for help".
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October 21, 2008, 02:10 PM | #59 |
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Having done entry work in real life, ala knock warrants.
I felt way more comfortable with a pistol in close quarters. If you have to you can pull back, tuck the pistol against your body and use your other hand to ward off a suprise attack. The shotgun has it's place though. I don't care for the pistol grip and prefer it on the shoulder ready, but in room clearing pistol grip and tucked down low the shotgun would work well. There's other numerous things against it such as muzzle flash, recoil and the ability to follow up with shots too. If you actually make a confrontation where rounds are not exchanged first, I can see the shotgun possibly with just the presence enough to cause the offender to think twice about doing anything funny, and maybe more willing to comply with verbal orders. I have kids, so hiding a SD shotgun becomes an issue too, as it will more likely be stored in a safe. I see it more of a tool to see what is "knocking" outside, than what is "knocking" inside the house because of this reason. |
October 21, 2008, 04:01 PM | #60 | |
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Your above scenario is quite possibly the silliest, most moronic thing I have read on these forums. What is it about: 1) Arm yourself, 2) Lock the door, 3) Take a position of cover, 4) Call the police, that you simply fail to understand? This person chooses a defensive posture that allows him to protect himself and his wife. He chooses not to become a wannabe swat member and clear his house all the while yelling hut hut hut. He realizes that in HIS circumstances this is a wiser choice for HIM. Your options may vary. Now grow up and stop acting like a spoiled child and understand your way is NOT the only way. |
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October 21, 2008, 05:17 PM | #61 |
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you're missing the point that you keep making,
and that is that EVERYONE is wrong unless they lock themselves in a bedroom and call for help, I'm saying that that isn't always prudent for obvious reasons as stated in earlier post. I don't care how you defend yourself or if you don't defend yourself, just some around here make people like me who realize an intruder in your house can be a fluid situation and no pre-addressed drills such as yours sound feasible. You lock yourself up and call away buddy.
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October 21, 2008, 05:38 PM | #62 | |
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Have a nice day...Rambo! |
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October 21, 2008, 06:47 PM | #63 | |
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the hd shotgun is great. got one. like the idea of them, will use when the zombies come to get me.
but...the daily pistol i practice with and shoot with most consistently is my home defense. i think i could shoot every door knob in the house up with extreme accuracy from any corner or angle. that is to my advantage. where do you guys practice when you arent at the range? look down the barrel, check your sights, try out holsters etc. tips i try from here, magazine swapping, push off of close intruders, point shooting, firing from a hip at a close attacker, etc....the things discussed here at length. the plate off the counter, the latch on the back window and the electrical outlet over by the lamp around the corner have all been dry-fired more than once and i dont see any reason to grab the shotgun. point being, if you dont think you need it, sell it. the hd is my bug out gun(another phrase i picked up here cause i dont really think i will ever need to bug out) but i can hunt birds, deer, squirrels, with it, etc if i had to i guess.
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October 21, 2008, 07:51 PM | #64 |
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furthest thing from a Rambo,
BUT I may have your post confused with another's. Anyway I don't want to argue and go on and on over "tactics", albeit mental not literally tactical at this point.
And I'd call LE if the opt availed itself, not opposed to doing that at all, I was just saying it wouldn't be on the fore front of my mind in such a circumstance, not like you get some gold star at the end of the day if you placed the call first. |
October 21, 2008, 08:40 PM | #65 |
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One reason for owning a pump shotgun-Teeing off the anti-gunners!
Second reason-Nothing is as comforting when something goes bump in the night as a 12 gauge pump in your hands. Third reason- Every American should own a shotgun. |
October 21, 2008, 09:05 PM | #66 | |
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The only major modification I plan to do to it is replace the synthetic stock with a walnut one, so that it can be more easily adjusted to fit me better. For me though, the choice of a shotgun for HD is fairly obvious. I have more experience with shotguns than any other platform, being a fairly avid bird hunter. I have roughly the same experience with rifles, but I don't own any that wouldn't be wholly inappropriate for HD (touching off a .30-06 in an apartment complex wouldn't end well, and a .22lr simply doesn't have enough oomph). Last edited by Regolith; October 22, 2008 at 10:12 PM. |
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October 22, 2008, 09:33 AM | #67 | |
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Neither will you get a gold star stalking around your house looking for said bad guy and either getting shot or stabbed and ending up dead. However I am sure all of your friends will comment on how brave you were at your funeral. You can call me a coward or whatever you wish but unless my kids are at my house I will not be leaving my position of cover keeping my girlfriend safe to act like some wannabe cop clearing my house of bad guys. If they attempt to enter where I am they will be warned, then killed if they continue. That to me is prudent action. YOUR options may vary. |
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October 22, 2008, 10:13 AM | #68 |
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I always find it interesting that people complain about belligerence and intolerance when referring to others derogatively with "wannabe" and "Rambo."
Going back to the OP, my suggestion would be going to a good shotgun class and finding out yourself if you need/want the SG for home defense. Louis Awerbuck teaches an excellent one that (if you head up to West Virginia) will include house clearing drills. Scott Reitz comes through your area as well, and is exceptional by all accounts. Training with a weapon will show you its advantages/disadvantages far better than the net. It's possible to manuever through a house with a shotgun quite easily if you've had training, just as it's easy to screw up royally doing the same job with a handgun without training (you are behind the corner but is your pistol?). I know a few people who have a need to respond to "night noises" by leaving the bedroom and moving through the house. That is necessitated by 1) kids being in another part of the house or 2) being concerned enough to look but having no justification for having the cops do the search. The shotgun is used by some of those, while the pistol is used by others. I've used both weapons when checking out such noises and both have their advantages. |
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October 22, 2008, 12:18 PM | #70 |
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My day is quite nice, thank you. Perhaps you should review the thread yourself. You'll find that the person you are defending threw the first stone in post #25. He didn't discuss why his plan worked for him; he said he found it disturbing how many were looking for a confrontation (i.e. they weren't following his plan so they must be looking for a fight).
Basically, you are outraged and derogatory towards one person while defending another engaged in the same conduct. |
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Basically I wonder why YOU feel the need to stick your nose into a disagreement between others that doesn't involve you in any way. |
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I wrote #25, and I don't remember casting any stones. It was a month ago... Quote:
Subsequently, Noonan (in post #19) described a middle-of-the-night scenario of groggily shooting buckshot, from his closet kept 870, at the bad guy's torso. I couldn't, in good conscience, let this pass. So, I posted #25, voicing my concern that Noonan's groggy gunning could lead to tragic and costly consequences. I described some real life situations that have molded my position on tactical shotguns. And, I opined that I'd feel safer locked in my bedroom, a handgun at the ready, and LE notified, than looking for a confrontation armed with a HD shotgun. My point wasn't to open a discussion on tactical planning, but to show that MY plan of action didn't include a HD shotgun. I didn't say my way was the only way, but I did cautioned that confrontations have consequences. Admittedly not aimed at promoting HD shotgun sales, I thought my position was reasonable and prudent. In the next posting, #26, BigJohnp seemed to substantiate my position with his: Quote:
You commented that I didn't discuss the formulation of my plan. I thought my description of seeing an innocent girl being blown away by the cops was enough to indicate why I wouldn't want to use a shotgun on anyone. Did you forget, this thread is about the necessity to posses a HD shotgun? Does it bother you that it disturbs me to think of some young forum member suffering the same fate as Leslie Landersman? Yes, my plan is defensive in nature, and I advise others to take a defensive posture when only property is being contested. Don't you get it, I'm trying to minimize the unnecessary loss of life? Perhaps that's your real problem, I'm encroaching into the realm of God and buss knox! |
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