December 23, 2005, 12:34 PM | #1 |
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Cop vs guy with AK47
Found this on a video website, not sure if y'all have already seen it or not. IMO, the cop should have dropped him the second he picked up the gun. Looks like the BG gets hit a couple of times but it doesn't stop him. Take a look.
http://www.filecabi.net/video/officervsguy.html
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I remember the incident. That officer died in the exchange. Unfortunately, the BG was a real vietnam combat vet, and from what I remember used supressing fire, hit the cop a few times (on the exchange where he fired multiple times and approached the passenger side of the vehicle) and killed the officer at point blank range. I don't remember the details, but I remember it happened recently (maybe within the last 2-3 years) and that the BG was caught or killed.
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wow I didn't realize the cop died in the exchange. I am glad to hear the guy was dealt with though.
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As soon as the guy pulled the AK the cop should have been killing him!! Too many warnings, too little aimmed fire on the cops part. As soon as that guy turned with the weapon in hand, it's head shot time!!
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The weapon the murderer used was an M1, I believe. I have seen this video many times-it gets my blood to boil every time.
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I agree with Craig. It's definitly an eye opener for those who complain about being harshly treated during a routine traffic stop, or people who make fun of LEO's for their line of questioning during said stops.
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Thats tragic....I hope I never get faced with anything like that when I become a LEO, and if I do, I hope I have the common sense and the training to deal with it properly. I would have dropped the guy as soon as he turned towards me with the rifle.
That kind of pisses me off. The guy was just doing his job, and seemed like a decent guy, and he got killed for no reason by the scum of society (Vietnam veteran or not) |
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sad video ... just wish the trooper would have had a partner or backup
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I understood Capt. Charlie.. With the BG's actions prior to him pulling the gun (what ever it was) as soon as I saw a weapon, perhaps with one drop it command, it would for me be time to take drastic action. This would have been easiest when he first started to remove the weapon, while he was still a stationary target, not after he was moving/firing. Sadly this video also shows the great value of movement when TSHTF. It looked like from at least my stand point that the LEO stayed relatively in one place. (perhaps behind his door) Too many warnings, too many calls for backup, waiting too long to act... SAD it didn't turn out the other way around.
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Sad but
I don't know what state this was in. Probably a state where a cop doesn't get too excited when he sees a civilian with a gun. And yes U are all right. The cop should have dropped him as soon as he saw the rifle. U don't touch a gun when a traffic cop stops U. This was the cop's fault. 1. The cop should have been a better shot. 2. He should have had a caliber that would have knocked the perp down as soon as he shot him. Sad.
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This video has been posted here quite a few times....
During one of those threads there was a news article which explained that the officer had been chastised for drawing his weapon prematurely not long before this incident. That surely factored into his reaction, as he did not want to get into trouble by using his gun again.
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That very thought had just passed my mind. A question to which none of us will ever know the answer. Could that very camera that recorded all of this, have been a factor in the LEO's (for lack of a better way of stateing this) cause for his slow/slower actions?? 1. We don't know what his skills were. Did he shoot only to qualify, was he a Grand Master? 2. What caliber was he shooting? Any reasonable pistol carry cartridge is marginable as far as "stopping power" goes.. PLACEMENT is what stops most gun fights. |
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I'm talking about the confidence in making a "headshot" under stress, wearing kit, dude is moving, firing at you... "Hearing the owl" also means combat to some "fraternities"...IE: "Oh yeah, (insert name) and I heard the hoot owl together a few times..." |
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FYI, here's the low down on what happened, taken from "The Line of Duty".
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SO what happened to the Moron with the Carbine?
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Am I wrong, or does the squad camera show things a bit differently?
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This makes me sick
I have seen this before and I can only think of the way liability is drummed into the heads of Officers. The training that constantly warns of the legality of using deadly force on a subject. More FATS training might have helped then again it might not. I pray that all of us stay safe and use our best judgement to do right.
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systematically, methodically shot Dinkheller in the arms, legs, exposed areas that would not be covered had Dinkheller been wearing a bulletproof vest, slowly executing him." part, as you can't see the officer, but I would guess the screams you can hear were probably from being hit multiple times. Otherwise, it sounds pretty close to me.
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I believe the reason for the 50 seconds between the guy getting his gun and firing it was due to the fact that he was LOADING IT!!!!! At least, that was what we talked about at the academy. Sorry, that guy has shown more than enough intent to me when he started loading his gun.
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I have tried Emailing the site telling them to change it to an M1 carbine, not an AK, but they won't.
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cop should've shut him down but he was being a good guy. such a sad situation. i gotta say i've wondered if i could kill in my own defense, i know i could for someone i love but what's my own life weighed against another's, whatever that persons circumstances? i guess it's a decision you have to have made if you're an armed citizen but i'd consider that officer quite noble in his restraint in respecting a life even in objection to the legal rules of engagement.
i have a bit of a lead foot, but i know to give up when i'm stopped, follow every suggestion in terms of keeping my hands on the wheel and body still until the officer asks me to get something. what a bastard though, the killer, i hope he's rotting in a cell. |
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