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January 14, 2019, 12:29 PM | #176 | |
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January 14, 2019, 01:45 PM | #177 | |
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Well I also found this which quotes from the Glock website a few years back, well 12 years now. 2007.
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If you've read Paul Barrett's book on Glocks you are aware that Glock, more than any other gun company, it seems, hates to admit that any aspect of it's products are unsafe. Though all gun companies don't like to admit to it due to potential liability suits. So that is not directly mentioned in the 6 part trigger upgrades of 1992 noted above by Glock. They did do a substantial upgrade of the trigger system. It is quite possible that this was linked to issues that effected larger contracts with law enforcement or the military. tipoc
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January 14, 2019, 03:05 PM | #178 |
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Ironic. I'm a better shot with my friend's 9mm Glock than with my Sig P228s, Sig P6, CZ 'PCR' (75D) and .380 Russian Makarov.
But I prefer the all-metal (mostly) composition, looks and features of my handguns. That gun club friend states now and then "You will own a Glock". As rugged/reliable as Glocks are-they are superb-I own three German-proofed Sigs plus these other guns instead. With the CZ, shooter P228 and for summer carry, the .380 Mak, I don't need a substitute or an additional carry gun. But If I did (am a lefty), and If **HK USP 9mm Compacts** had a better DA pull, it would be this. But this isn't what's most critical. It's situational awareness-not so cool to talk about...and this generates far less cash flow for guns and accessories which can resemble those of SEAL Team 6 and GSG-9. Last edited by Ignition Override; January 14, 2019 at 05:02 PM. |
January 14, 2019, 06:49 PM | #179 |
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Again, for those that did not care so much for the Glock, especially the lack of a safety. the New Mossberg may be a huge hit. And many will like the Crossbolt safety. A crossbolt, while not my favorite on a shotgun, might just be very easy to use on a Pistol.
I won't buy a Glock, but I really want to try out the Mossberg. And Mossberg is really telling their vendors to focus on the Better Accuracy which they tested against the Glock 43. I think the Mossberg is going to bust Glock in the. Last edited by Carl the Floor Walker; January 14, 2019 at 06:57 PM. |
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Based on additional research, it seems extremely unlikely that the Suffolk ADs are what caused Glock to design the upgrade parts although it may have been what prompted them to make the public announcement. Earlier, I stated that the DEA "Frisbee" testing took place in 1992. That was incorrect, it took place in 1991. By the time the Suffolk ADs took place in January of 1992, Glock already had hundreds of the upgrade parts on hand and had been selling new pistols with upgraded parts since November 1991, as indicated in the upgrade announcement you quoted: "This new firing pin safety system has been installed in all production Glock pistols since November, 1991."Here is some information from TheGunZone: "The DEA "Frisbee Test"
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Like I said, I've been in the bicycle business for a long time and I see the same gig with Rapha and Campagnolo(fans of both, along with Glock)..Also, mention 'Iphone or 'Apple'..same thing. No Sig anything for me, BTW..and I don't 'hate' them, just don't 'fit' me like my Glocks do...Plus the hammer/safety/decocker gig..not a fan.
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January 15, 2019, 08:03 AM | #183 | |
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PLUS, a well designed striker pistol..it has many safeties if designed well. An external one will make some more comfy..and some won't buy it because of that. Ruger's LC9S 'Pro(no safety), outsells the one with a safety, many times over.
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January 15, 2019, 08:42 AM | #184 |
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I like HK.
HK is my favorite manufacturer. I carry a Glock. It fits my needs and I run them, yes, run. For defensive purposes. Better than I do my HKs. So I carry a Glock. I don't look too into it. The people who carry them. The Gucci gang that drops $4,500 into one. Or anyone else. I don't dismiss and or have an irrational hatred towards them for those reasons or any other reasons either. One of my best friends does. It's sad. If you don't like it or don't want to try it, don't. People keep recommending them? Ignore it? I'm not speaking like a know it all..But don't give in to anyone and let them trigger you over a piece of plastic and metal that they "love". Which is the other side of it. I get it...It's a bit much at times, but that's how misinformation spreads. Like "HK hAs ThE wOrSt CuStOmEr SeRvIcE"....No....It doesn't. In fact my other best friend was denied a spare part from Glock because of a $0.25 trigger job. So we all have experiences differing from one another. Sorry for the ramble. |
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John,
Thanks for the clarifications. I also agree with you on Speirs. He strove to be accurate. tipoc
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January 15, 2019, 06:44 PM | #186 | |
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And many more people are price-conscious. 'Mr M&P' is probably not too concerned with Shields priced at half of a comparable Sig or Glock. |
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January 15, 2019, 11:04 PM | #187 | |
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USNRet93 - you said
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The LC9s model is not listed at all in the current Ruger catalog. |
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I guess a follow up observation and question would be why has Ruger not offered a “pro” version of the EC9S that seems to be replacing the LC9S. I can understand the EC9S. It lowers the price and goes after the more budget-conscious end of a very lucrative market but that is also a very crowded market. I would think a safety-less EC9S would be a big seller IF your hypothesis is correct. You may yet prove right, though, and perhaps an EC9S “Pro” will be coming.
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Not sure the EC is going to replace the LC but the fact remains, some buy a striker because of an external safety and some won’t buy it because it HAS an external safety. I maintain(and I am no armorer in any way) that a properly designed striker, with internal safeties and not a fully cocked external hammer, doesn’t need an external safety. But some disagree..I carry my glocks with one in the chamber all the time, ymmv and all that. If Glock suddenly offered a G43/19/43x/42 with an external safety, I doubt any present Glock carriers would buy it cuz of that. I wouldn’t.
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https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/...tion.jpg?w=960
I guess this heroic gentleman, up for one of the top UK medals, seems to be ok with carrying a Glock. I wonder if he can't shoot it because of the grip angle. Also check out https://elitedefenceonline.com/inayat-kassam/ He was heroic at the two attack in Kenya despite the grip angle.
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Personally, I find a safety to generally be a useful and desirable thing. I require either a manual safety (safety lock) or an external hammer or I'm not interested in the pistol. I don't mind if it has both. I don't understand people who avoid guns with safeties, I think it like avoiding a certain car because it has an emergency brake. However, beyond firing an adequate cartridge, accurately and dependably, its not about what one needs, its about what one wants. If you want or don't want certain design features on your pistol, there has never been more variety available than there is today. I don't own a Glock, or similar pistol. I don't have a need for them that I can see, and I don't want them. I have used several, and don't care for the combination of qualities it has, and doesn't have. The package simply doesn't appeal to me. If you think they are God's gift to shooting, by all means, enjoy! I walk a different path.
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I shot 1911's and HiPowers for decades, and the Glocks point like a finger, for me.
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Any competent handgun user unless you have some type of hand problem should be able to shoot a Glock, 1911 or SW 686 effectively. That’s why I am amused by the I can’t shoot a XYZ comments to be silly.
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Hardly silly, Yes, I can shoot any gun made, but that in NO WAY means it is the best fit. A Glock DOES NOT FIT MY HAND. IT NATURALLY POINTS LOW. I HAVE TO ACTUALLY MENTALLY RAISE THE GUN WITH EACH SHOT.
No gun is a perfect fit for all, no matter what the Glock CNN crowd tell you. For God sake get out and shoot other guns and make your own decision instead of being lead around like a bunch of mindless Sheep! Last edited by Carl the Floor Walker; January 18, 2019 at 08:59 PM. |
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If a Glock points low for you, most pistols should point even lower...usually it's the other way around.
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