Today's the day - Vote on S. 649

Kochman · April 17, 2013, 07:44 AM

Doesn't look like the votes are there to pass it.

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After spinning its wheels for most of the day Tuesday, the Senate set up a series of gun votes for Wednesday, including what has become the critical fight — a proposal to expand background checks to include all sales at gun shows and over the Internet, though it would exclude person-to-person private sales.

I saw one report that said it has only 38 votes!

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Two other measures are bipartisan, one to crack down on gun trafficking and another to bolster mental health treatment.

Probably because these two have been the most needed...

How about the part where they actually enforce the 4473!?

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Republicans are lining up behind an amendment that would effectively create a national conceal-carry law, a goal that gun groups have been pressing for years.

Chances of this passing through the WH with a signature? 0.0000001%

csmsss · April 17, 2013, 07:55 AM

Either way, the administration gets what it wants - some sort of "gun control" measure passing the Senate or the opportunity to bash the hell out of Republicans for "obstructing" their noble attempts to fight "gun crimes".

Kochman · April 17, 2013, 07:58 AM

Yeah, but they don't get much, really...
I saw a poll, only 4% consider gun control a big issue... Obama already has their votes.

Once again, Obama is focusing on the wrong priorities, as he has done his entire administration... pushing Obamacare when the economy was in shambles being the first and most obvious case.

He should STILL be pushing jobs... and still is focusing in the wrong place.
This won't help the Dems in 2016... The Repubs, who I am not a fan of either, can honestly say... 8 years of Dem leadership, where are the jobs?

Sorry for the tangent!

Back to topic...
Obama is already defeated, that's why he's upped his rhetoric on news interviews, etc... lying about police opinion, etc... Political desperation is quite visible.

SHE3PDOG · April 17, 2013, 02:45 PM

I don't want to speculate too much about this, but it does seem to appear that most of what was originally being fought for will not clear the senate. Even if it does, congress will likely block it once it reaches them. Hopefully the results will be out soon.

Jack_Bauer24 · April 17, 2013, 03:06 PM

Time to hold your breath folks and pray.

JimDandy · April 17, 2013, 03:27 PM

Did Reid of Nevada just vote no?!?

spacecoast · April 17, 2013, 03:32 PM

Yup

Jack_Bauer24 · April 17, 2013, 03:32 PM

Background Checks Failed 54-46. Praise GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!

JimDandy · April 17, 2013, 03:33 PM

Interesting. I wonder what his game, and his position is.

Glockstar .40 · April 17, 2013, 04:01 PM

reid voted no gives him a chance to bring up another bill. political move!!

JimDandy · April 17, 2013, 04:04 PM

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reid voted no gives him a chance to bring up another bill. political move!!

There's a procedural rule that says a yes vote to one amendment prevents offering another one?

BumbleBug · April 17, 2013, 04:10 PM

Per Yahoo News:

Democratic Sens. Mark Begich of Alaska, Heidi Heitkamp of North Dakota, Mark Pryor of Arkansas and Max Baucus of Montana voted against it. (Sen. Harry Reid of Nevada switched his vote to no at the end, a procedural tactic that allows him to bring it up for a vote later.) In addition to Toomey, Republicans who supported the amendment were Sens. Mark Kirk of Illinois, Susan Collins of Maine and John McCain of Arizona.

budoboy · April 17, 2013, 04:12 PM

So Senator Schumer(NY) just said that amendment 719(Constitutional Concealed Carry) would be a disaster in New York. He said that this is a states' rights issue and shouldn't be forced upon the rest of the country because it would work in one or two states.

So apparently, it's OK to force states to abide by a background check law that you co-sponsor, but not for amendment 719. Gotcha.

SHE3PDOG · April 17, 2013, 04:20 PM

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Background Checks Failed 54-46. Praise GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!

...And the people rejoiced!

**Spats McGee** · April 17, 2013, 04:23 PM

We've already got a whole thread to discuss S. 649. It's called S.649: Reid's Base Gun Control Bill

Accordingly, closed.

April 17, 2013, 02:45 PM	#4
SHE3PDOG Senior Member Join Date: January 27, 2013 Posts: 988	I don't want to speculate too much about this, but it does seem to appear that most of what was originally being fought for will not clear the senate. Even if it does, congress will likely block it once it reaches them. Hopefully the results will be out soon. __________________ Semper Fi Marine, NRA member, SAF Defender's Club member, and constitutionally protected keeper and bearer of firearms

April 17, 2013, 03:06 PM	#5
Jack_Bauer24 Senior Member Join Date: August 16, 2007 Posts: 147	Time to hold your breath folks and pray. __________________ "When the people fear the govt there is tyranny, when the govt fears the people there is liberty." Thomas Jefferson

April 17, 2013, 03:32 PM	#8
Jack_Bauer24 Senior Member Join Date: August 16, 2007 Posts: 147	Background Checks Failed 54-46. Praise GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!! __________________ "When the people fear the govt there is tyranny, when the govt fears the people there is liberty." Thomas Jefferson Last edited by Glenn E. Meyer; April 17, 2013 at 04:02 PM.

April 17, 2013, 04:01 PM	#10
Glockstar .40 Senior Member Join Date: February 18, 2012 Location: West of the Rockies Posts: 435	reid voted no gives him a chance to bring up another bill. political move!! __________________ He alone is my Rock and my Salvation, my Stronghold; I shall not be shaken!

April 17, 2013, 04:23 PM	#15
Spats McGee Staff Join Date: July 28, 2010 Location: Arkansas Posts: 8,821	We've already got a whole thread to discuss S. 649. It's called S.649: Reid's Base Gun Control Bill Accordingly, closed. __________________ I'm a lawyer, but I'm not your lawyer. If you need some honest-to-goodness legal advice, go buy some.

April 17, 2013, 07:55 AM	#2
csmsss Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 2008 Location: Orange, TX Posts: 3,078	Either way, the administration gets what it wants - some sort of "gun control" measure passing the Senate or the opportunity to bash the hell out of Republicans for "obstructing" their noble attempts to fight "gun crimes".

April 17, 2013, 07:58 AM	#3
Kochman Junior member Join Date: April 14, 2013 Location: Erph Posts: 110	Yeah, but they don't get much, really... I saw a poll, only 4% consider gun control a big issue... Obama already has their votes. Once again, Obama is focusing on the wrong priorities, as he has done his entire administration... pushing Obamacare when the economy was in shambles being the first and most obvious case. He should STILL be pushing jobs... and still is focusing in the wrong place. This won't help the Dems in 2016... The Repubs, who I am not a fan of either, can honestly say... 8 years of Dem leadership, where are the jobs? Sorry for the tangent! Back to topic... Obama is already defeated, that's why he's upped his rhetoric on news interviews, etc... lying about police opinion, etc... Political desperation is quite visible.

April 17, 2013, 03:27 PM	#6
JimDandy Senior Member Join Date: August 8, 2012 Posts: 2,556	Did Reid of Nevada just vote no?!?

April 17, 2013, 03:32 PM	#7
spacecoast Senior Member Join Date: October 14, 2009 Location: Sunshine and Keystone States Posts: 4,461	Yup

April 17, 2013, 03:33 PM	#9
JimDandy Senior Member Join Date: August 8, 2012 Posts: 2,556	Interesting. I wonder what his game, and his position is.

April 17, 2013, 04:10 PM	#12
BumbleBug Senior Member Join Date: March 11, 2013 Location: Near Heart of Texas Posts: 870	Per Yahoo News: Democratic Sens. Mark Begich of Alaska, Heidi Heitkamp of North Dakota, Mark Pryor of Arkansas and Max Baucus of Montana voted against it. (Sen. Harry Reid of Nevada switched his vote to no at the end, a procedural tactic that allows him to bring it up for a vote later.) In addition to Toomey, Republicans who supported the amendment were Sens. Mark Kirk of Illinois, Susan Collins of Maine and John McCain of Arizona.

April 17, 2013, 04:12 PM	#13
budoboy Member Join Date: February 22, 2011 Location: Northern CO Posts: 38	So Senator Schumer(NY) just said that amendment 719(Constitutional Concealed Carry) would be a disaster in New York. He said that this is a states' rights issue and shouldn't be forced upon the rest of the country because it would work in one or two states. So apparently, it's OK to force states to abide by a background check law that you co-sponsor, but not for amendment 719. Gotcha.