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Old November 16, 2023, 08:14 AM   #26
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I've seen one badly mangled HK P2000 extractor caused by dropping the slide on a loaded chamber. This is a pivoting extractor, of course.

During a qualification, a guy had a click on the very first shot, did the tap and rack, and continued on. Always curious why a duty round didn't go off, I picked it for examination. It looked like someone went after the rim with some channel locks!

After the qual, I examined the pistol and most of the extractor claw was missing. Keeping an eye on the agent, he loaded up by dropping a round into the chamber, then sending the slide forward.

The agency discourages loading like he did and this is the only P2000 (out of thousands used/examined), with a chipped extractor.

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Old November 16, 2023, 01:08 PM   #27
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The agency discourages loading like he did and this is the only P2000 (out of thousands used/examined), with a chipped extractor.

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I take it to mean the agency doesn't think its a good practice, and also that its highly likely the users of those thousands of other pistols don't do it.

The fact that you found one gun damaged is proof positive that it can happen, because it did happen. This establishes that the risk is real.

Just out of curiosity, does HK say (in their manual or other information) that loading the chamber and dropping the slide on it is an acceptable practice???

Or is not mentioned??
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Old November 16, 2023, 05:33 PM   #28
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The agent keeps a handful of loose rounds in his pocket to keep up with his loading habit on the firing line? A chipped extractor will cause trouble ejecting. No sign of that? The first round didn't go because the extractor couldn't cam over the rim so that the action was out of battery? There wouldn't be a click, and tap rack boom wouldn't get the round out.

It isn't a big deal doing this occasionally. There is no benefit keep doing it either.

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Old November 17, 2023, 08:20 AM   #29
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The HK manual mentions loading and topping off the magazine, but does not mention how not to do it.
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The agent keeps a handful of loose rounds in his pocket to keep up with his loading habit on the firing line? A chipped extractor will cause trouble ejecting. No sign of that? The first round didn't go because the extractor couldn't cam over the rim so that the action was out of battery? There wouldn't be a click, and tap rack boom wouldn't get the round out.
This was a cold qual: run what you got as were in the field. I believe the agent had loaded this same round, in this manner, many many times (judging by the marks on the case rim) and somehow damaged the primer. Even as mangled as the extractor was, it functioned as normal throughout the 72-round qual.
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Old November 17, 2023, 09:38 AM   #30
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The HK manual mentions loading and topping off the magazine, but does not mention how not to do it.

This was a cold qual: run what you got as were in the field. I believe the agent had loaded this same round, in this manner, many many times (judging by the marks on the case rim) and somehow damaged the primer. Even as mangled as the extractor was, it functioned as normal throughout the 72-round qual.

What was your opinion of the P2000 in terms of durability and reliability based on what you saw?
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Old November 17, 2023, 07:10 PM   #31
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Run what they carry in the field. I suppose the standard kit are all loaded mags and no loose rounds. This particular agent kept this round, which had failed to fire multiple times, and he always loads it first in the chamber when push comes to shove. Perhaps he needs to be talked to about this mind set. He has issue bigger than loading through the ejection port.

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