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Old August 21, 2022, 08:46 AM   #26
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If I want a single action 9mm I will pick a P35/GP/HiPower over the 1911 platform every time. It's another inspired design but designed for the 9mm Luger cartridge; perfect balance, a natural pointer, very controllable and I carry mine with 15 round magazines.

My Browning and FEG ones have gone on to Forever Homes but lately I've been carrying either my FM M95-Classic or my Arcus M94.



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Old August 21, 2022, 09:50 AM   #27
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I have owned a number of Hi Powers and a few 1911s. While I like the ergonomics of the Hi Power, I have yet to own a Hi Power where the trigger was in the same league as a 1911. If the pistol in question is mainly going to be used at the range for target shooting and capacity isn’t a concern then I think a 9mm 1911 makes sense.

I have seen a number of videos that have been positive about BUL Armory 1911s and I have read positive reviews as well, though I’ve yet to see one in person. They do have 9mm options that show up pretty frequently.


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Old August 21, 2022, 10:35 AM   #28
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Not to discourage getting a 1911 in 9mm since I really like mine, but I also have a FEG version of a HiPower and love it too. After removing the mag disconnect contraption and just cleaning and polishing some parts it has a great trigger even though it’s not the same as a 1911. But handling and balance wise is where it outshines the 1911. You’d have a hard time believing it’s an all steel gun when you pick it up, but when you pick up my RIA 1911 it feels like a tank. The HiPower design just has a svelt feeling to it. The only drawback to the FEG is the sights aren’t super, but I’ve found them adequate enough to hit what I’m aiming at.
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Old August 21, 2022, 10:50 AM   #29
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Despite being a huge 1911A1 fan, I see no point to one in 9mm Luger. Now, that being said, "I want one" is a valid reason to get one.

If memory serves correctly, I don't think Colt offered the 9mm Luger until the Commander, and I don't think full size Govt Models came along until some time after that.

If you're looking for a service class pistol and it has to be a 9mm, and you're fond of the 1911 type guns, I'd look at the new SA-35 Hi Power. Friend of mine has one, and its everything a Hi Power should be and none of what isn't needed. And the price is good (IF you can find one for sale at close to MSRP)

If you're looking for a range gun, why choose a 1911 pattern 9mm?

IF you're invested in the 9mm, have other pistols for it, and just want a 1911 type gun to shoot 9mm ammo, fine, go for it, and enjoy! Otherwise, I just wonder, why???
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Old August 21, 2022, 11:15 AM   #30
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I’ve been thinking of a 9mm 1911, commander sized and bob tailed, just because.

Of course another .45 wouldn’t be frowned upon.
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Old August 21, 2022, 11:56 AM   #31
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Check out Bul Armory. I've never owned one but when I've played with one in the GS I was very impressed. Very slick. Excellent trigger.
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Old August 21, 2022, 02:01 PM   #32
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Another vote for CZ rather than a 1911. I have a CZ TS2 that I have been shooting for a couple years. I sold my 1911 and most of my Glocks because the CZ is such a nicer gun.

The TS2 is very accurate, has 20 round mags, and most of all a fantastic SAO trigger from the factory.
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Old August 21, 2022, 03:54 PM   #33
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1911 in 9mm

I’ve owned 2 colt , 1 springfield armory and 1 kimber .45 1911s , and got a springfield EMP 4 about 6 months ago and I love it, wanted a 9 mm because ammo is cheaper and I already have 1.5 k rounds of it. Mine has been flawless and very accurate. Yes it has some parts that are not standard size 1911. But I don’t think any body will say springfield doesn’t know about 1911 s they just scaled down some parts to 9mm size, and they have all parts for it. The most notable difference is the grip frame is about a quarter inch less front to back. And I have found only 2 companies making aftermarket grips. But the wooden grips that come on it are great. I will probably get a set of VZ grips just to change the look every once in a while
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Old August 21, 2022, 04:05 PM   #34
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Given the popularity of the 9mm ctg overall these days, a 1911 so chambered is likely the way of the future. Ken Hackathorne and Bill Wilson have a Youtube video on the very subject. What you get is a heavy, single stack (10+1) but VERY mild shooting platform with a good trigger. The 5" bbl. of the gov"t model gets about all you can get from the 9mm ctg velocity wise. I know of one shooter in my circle of friends who has shot IDPA for several years with just such an arrangement and has done quite well.

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Old August 21, 2022, 09:01 PM   #35
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Yeah...it seems like the Colt Gold Cup Light and regular are regarded as good to go...but the price is creeping up to something special. Maybe going to investigate the EMP and the Roni more. I don't mind that the EMP is custom to Springfield.

If it's not going to be magic in shooting, I'm thinking this won't align with the years of hearing about how great the 1911 can be. This might be my own fault for looking for one in 9mm. Totally get that.

I'm on the hunt for a Sig P226 X-Five and/or X-Six. Looking good at the P210. I'll need more dream team assembly for which CZ TS0/TS2/S2/S2 special is going to do it for me. I posted here a long while ago the SP-01 didn't do anything for me, but I know these are different beasts.

Finally, just won a PPQ Q5 steel frame. Don't know why the Pro goes for 1,700 when all it comes with extra is a $50 mag well and the same number of mags just in 17rnd vs 15rnd. 17rnd will fit this one too. Going to put the Dynamic Trigger in this metal Q5. So that will be better...
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/942465207

Adventuring on...maybe not with a 1911 9mm though. Going deep in the steel frames right now. So thank you for all your feedback!
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Old August 21, 2022, 11:53 PM   #36
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You should seek feedback on 9mm 1911s on the two main 1911-focused forums, IMO. I don't think you're getting the best info here.

I'm coming at this from the perspective of someone whose numerous 1911s are all chambered in .45 ACP. While 9mm is my favorite caliber, I just can't quite make myself buy a 1911 in 9mm. I haven't even been able to talk myself into getting one in .38 Super yet, although I keep telling myself I will eventually.

That said, there is nothing wrong with 1911s in 9mm. The received wisdom about reliability issues with 9mm is beyond stale at this point and derives from former issues that have been non-issues for a long time. Manufacturers addressed these problems years ago.

As to the "why" of a 9mm in 1911, I really don't understand the confusion. A quality 1911 in 9mm is an incredibly sweet shooter -- so much so that shooting one has almost been enough for me to overcome my peculiar aversion to owning a 1911 in anything but its original chambering. (This hang-up of mine goes beyond just the 1911, by the way.) I'm fortunately not yet of the age and/or physical condition where heavier recoil causes me any physical discomfort, but the soft shooting characteristics of the 1911 in 9mm are appealing to many folks who want to shoot 1911s but who can't tolerate recoil as well as they used to. Ask Bill Wilson, Ken Hackathorn, and numerous other big names in the 1911 world which caliber they spend the most time shooting in 1911s these days. Plenty of other people just enjoy the fact that an all-steel 1911 makes the hottest 9mm SD rounds feel more or less like powder-puff target loads. OP, I suggest you pay a visit to 1911addicts and talk with (or read the comments of) the numerous 1911 fanatics who shoot everything from stock Colt and DW 9mm 1911s to various semi-custom 9mm 1911s to five-figure 9mm 1911s from the most highly regarded custom 'smiths. You'll get better information, and I think you'll see that whatever concerns you have are essentially unfounded in 2022.

By the way, I find the constant exhortations to "just get a Hi-Power" when anyone asks about 9mm 1911s to be beyond grating and irritating. They aren't even close to the same gun. ("Just get a P210" would at least make somewhat more sense, despite the P210 also being a very different design.) I love (Browning/FN) Hi-Powers for their elegance and historical pedigree, but there's nothing special about them at all as shooters or from a build-quality standpoint. The stock triggers are bad to terrible (and removing the mag disconnect alone doesn't come close to making the trigger good), the accuracy is generally unremarkable, and they're not particularly durable (especially the old forged-frame versions). None of that is the case with a higher-quality 1911. I imagine people reflexively say "just get a Hi-Power" due to the JMB connection, but I just find that grating and irritating on another level, since JMB wasn't even the primary designer of what ended up as the BHP.

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Old August 28, 2022, 01:21 AM   #37
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If you get a 9mm 1911, the springfield is picky on hard primers due to the titanium firing pins. You'll get light strikes on stuff like Turkish 9mm. Kimbers with firing pin block and steel firing pin don't have that issue. I would think colts would be fine too. The problem with 9mm is not that it won't work in full size 1911s, it's just not as reliable over the full range of loads as 45 acp in the platform due to the shorter length than the gun was really designed to feed. 38 super and 45 acp are about the same length.
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Old August 28, 2022, 01:57 PM   #38
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If I had a 9MM M1911 I would get a 38 Super barrel and magazines for some extra shooting fun.
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Old August 28, 2022, 03:09 PM   #39
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If I had a 9MM M1911 I would get a 38 Super barrel and magazines for some extra shooting fun.
Or just get a .38 Super and be done with it.
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Old August 28, 2022, 05:14 PM   #40
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With all the better 9mm out there, why a 1911 that the design is obsoleted. Just for the old time sake?

I still have the Gold Cup and I did accurizing on it, how can one compare the design with the modern 9mm?!! Single action only, single stack mag, heavy steel frame, small ejector port, two piece feedramp.............WHY?

I have a glock 26, how can you compare the design, reliability and even longivity.....and the weight!!!!
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Old August 28, 2022, 05:49 PM   #41
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With all the better 9mm out there, why a 1911 that the design is obsoleted. Just for the old time sake?

I still have the Gold Cup and I did accurizing on it, how can one compare the design with the modern 9mm?!! Single action only, single stack mag, heavy steel frame, small ejector port, two piece feedramp.............WHY?

I have a glock 26, how can you compare the design, reliability and even longivity.....and the weight!!!!

Because they might enjoy shooting a 9mm 1911 more. I have and have had a number of Glocks. I still carry Glocks mostly. I also own 1911s. If it’s just for the range I’d rather shoot the 1911.


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Old August 28, 2022, 06:45 PM   #42
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Yes, for range. For self defense and CCW, no. My Gold Cup is very accurate, that's for sure.

For 1911, I stay with 45 as the bullets are too big for double stacking even if they are available( do they? I don't know).
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Old August 28, 2022, 06:49 PM   #43
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Yes, for range.
The OP does specifically say that he is looking for a pistol for the range.

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Purpose is pure range target shooting.
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Old August 28, 2022, 07:46 PM   #44
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For 1911, I stay with 45 as the bullets are too big for double stacking even if they are available( do they? I don't know).
Apparently you are not familiar with Para-Ordnance, STI, Rock Island Armory, or Caspian Arms. They all make (or made -- Para was purchased by Remington and then killed off) double stack 1911s in .45 ACP.
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Old August 28, 2022, 08:25 PM   #45
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Apparently you are not familiar with Para-Ordnance, STI, Rock Island Armory, or Caspian Arms. They all make (or made -- Para was purchased by Remington and then killed off) double stack 1911s in .45 ACP.
It's too big.
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Old August 29, 2022, 12:21 AM   #46
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The best noncustom 1911s are made by Dan Wesson. Their Pointman 9 runs $1,700:

https://danwessonfirearms.com/produc...man-nine-pm-9/

Have your wife work an extra 2 hr to scratch up the $200 above your target price.

The Pointman series is built for the range, with an adjustable target rear sight and fiber optic front. Its forged slide has our inverted top rib running between the sights to reduce glare, and has front and rear cocking serrations to enable easy manipulation.

The forged, stainless steel frame has an undercut trigger guard for optimal hand placement on the pistol and 25 LPI front strap checkering to hold it firmly in place without being too harsh. Flats on this pistol are soft brushed while the rounds are bead blasted, giving a nice contrast. Double diamond cocobolo grips finish it off, for a 1911 that is range and competition ready.
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Old August 29, 2022, 12:52 AM   #47
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I own four 1911's. You won't get any arguments from me that 1911's in .45acp are excellent guns. I own 2 and love them. My favorite 1911 is a Browning 1911-380 though. I can shoot it for hours if my ammo doesn't run out.

I just picked up a used RIA double stack 9mm/22tcm combo for $425 last weekend. I have always wanted one and as much as I love my 45's and 380 a 9mm 1911 just seemed natural with the 22 tcm being a bonus. I have not had a chance to take it out and shoot it yet. Hopefully it will live up to my expectations.

I am pretty sure the 9mm/22tcm combo is no longer available as a package any more. I was happy to find the factory package so I didn't have to worry about fitting the extra barrel to the slide.

I have owned my Beretta 92 INOX for 30 years now and it is a great pistol but it isn't quite as a natural extension of my hand that the 1911's are. My biggest complaint about my Beretta 92 is the front sight being milled into the slide. I would be much happier with fiber optic 3 dot sights like my 1911's have and new double stack 1911 will have. I believe the new Beretta 92's no longer have the front sight milled into the slide like mine does... making changing sights much easier.
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Old August 29, 2022, 07:34 AM   #48
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I cant find Bac's famous 1911 Buyers Guide...but maybe want an updated opinion
from him/you all.

Thinking i want a 9mm 1911. But know not what to get. Price is up to $1,500. Fine if lower. Purpose is pure range target shooting. Not going to do any work on it. Maybe want a sharp looker in stainless just for care ease. 5" assumed, but would take feedback on why not smaller.

The Spingfield Range Officer got replaced by the Roni and Garrison.

Colt, S&W? RIA currently is too high for their normally priced tactical-so not wanting that.

best value for the dollar while being a non comp but shot pretty often. What do you all recommend to this neophyte? Thank you!
The only 1911 I have in 9mm is a Shooter Arms. I’ve lost count of how many but have shot 1000’s of rounds through it. Had a little issue with brass coming straight back at first but tweaking with extractor fixed that.
If you want one then get one and don’t worry about the naysayers. A 1911 in 9mm is really a pleasant gun to shoot.
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Old August 31, 2022, 07:24 AM   #49
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I cant find Bac's famous 1911 Buyers Guide...
I don't know enough about 9mm 1911s to offer any advice. But I do know where bac's Buyer's Guide is: https://www.1911addicts.com/threads/...1-addicts.511/
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Old August 31, 2022, 08:13 AM   #50
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I have only two 1911s both .45s (have a P97 in 45 also). I also own a 9mm autoloader and have previously owned several of both calibers. Besides 45 and 9mm I have revolvers and autos in 45 Colt, 38/357, 9X18, 7.62 Nagant, 22RF and 22 Mag.

The consensus seems to be "pleasant gun to shoot" etc. I have never shot a full size 1911 in 9mm but I can imagine a soft shooter and consequently easy to shoot well...but so is a .22 RF auto pistol and considerably cheaper to shoot, easy to store large quantities of ammo, easy to shoot often enough to work on skills, etc, etc.

All the handguns I own, whether centerfire or rimfire, serve a purpose other than being just "range toys" Of course whatever makes a shooter happy is OK by me, to each his own.
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