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Old November 28, 2023, 09:26 PM   #26
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Far as I’m concerned there are only 2 handguns that are worth trusting your life to. The Colt 1911, pre series 70s- G.I. Issue and S&W K & N frame revolvers of the P&R era. Both these guns are expensive to make. That’s why I mentioned cut off periods for both. It’s also why even new Colts and S&Ws are going down the tubes because of cuts in manf
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Who thought 35-40yr ago that Mossberg would take over shotgun sales and Savage near the top of BA rifle sales. These were the guns you bought if you couldn’t afford anything better. I believe that same thing is going to happen with handguns. Ruger is waiting in the wings to see who wins the race to the bottom. Then they will step in and take all.
I was at a show last weekend. I have a 50th anniversary of the S&W m29/presentation case-ect, a virgin NIB. A guy wanted it bad and was trying to trade me a Tisa with all kind of aftermarket crap on it for $1000 toward the m29. We have Royal King stores that runs that Turk junk for as low as $249.95 on special. He got mad when I told him I would allow him $200, if he had the box and thru in all the original stuff he replaced. Low end 1911s are junk. I’ve got 3 keepers, all Colts and I only shoot 230 ball and never have any trouble.
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Old November 28, 2023, 09:56 PM   #27
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A man has to know his own limitations.

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Old November 28, 2023, 11:03 PM   #28
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The fun thing to remember about John M. Browning's iconic 1911 is that he made an improved version called the Browning/FN HiPower P-35.
No, sorry, but he didn't. Browning designed and made a prototype, and perhaps 2 or 3 toolroom guns, and then passed away.

FN finished the design, with Belgian engineers reworking the design considerably, including among other changes a magazine disconnect requested by the French, who then never bought any...

FN said they kept Browning's name on the gun as a sign of respect, which I think, in reality was to use the Browning name for its sales appeal.

The P.35 Hi Power was not designed or made by JM Browning. He began the design and then died. FN turned that prototype into a significantly different pistol. Had Browning lived to finish work on the pistol I think it would be quite different.
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Old November 29, 2023, 01:26 PM   #29
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It's the 2011 makes no sense for cost to me. Mags are on gen3 and still a problem in the most popular 2011 gun right now.

Sense. There is none if you mag is broken but you're selling 2K+ guns.
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Old November 29, 2023, 03:22 PM   #30
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having reached the age of majority back when the retail price of a brand new Colt Govt Model was about $150, I am more than a bit disinclined to purchase any handgun listing at $2000, let alone a 1911A1.

What I cannot fathom is people charging that kind of money, making a design that has been in use over a century and HAS ALL the bugs worked out, producing a pistol that does not work flawlessly with standard ammunition.

And, even more baffling to me is that despite the high price and the flaws, people still BUY THEM.

Then some gripe about the flaws, and what a POS this $2k gun is, to which I must respond, "then WHY did you buy it????
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Old November 29, 2023, 03:29 PM   #31
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They don't really hate 1911. They just want to whine. I met people who whine about the BMW they just bought. Picking the right model is very stressful task, to them.

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Old November 29, 2023, 06:03 PM   #32
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By threads on forums, the 92 and Sig P series with a lot more service hour use over a greater amount of time (I could be wrong)...all be no interest anymore.

The Sig STR trigger is probably the fastest resetting trigger and that's the "feature" to aspire to today.

Aren't we a finicky creature.
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Old November 29, 2023, 07:06 PM   #33
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By threads on forums, the 92 and Sig P series with a lot more service hour use over a greater amount of time (I could be wrong)...all be no interest anymore.

The Sig STR trigger is probably the fastest resetting trigger and that's the "feature" to aspire to today.

Aren't we a finicky creature.
At the risk of pulling the thread further off topic, the fastest most amazing trigger reset of all the pistols I own and have shot has to currently be the Tisas Zigana "K". I swear that rest on it is simply a thought.

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Old November 29, 2023, 07:38 PM   #34
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I thought Walther had the best by a long shot.

When I picked up my P226 Elite with SRT, I can see I was way wrong. It's a thought too. Just think without feeling a release, reset. Crazy.

I don't like the look of the rest of the pistol, but that front slide profile very aesthetically pleasing. Forward serrations ruined the look of slides
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Old November 29, 2023, 08:04 PM   #35
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I thought Walther had the best by a long shot.

When I picked up my P226 Elite with SRT, I can see I was way wrong. It's a thought too. Just think without feeling a release, reset. Crazy.

I don't like the look of the rest of the pistol, but that front slide profile very aesthetically pleasing. Forward serrations ruined the look of slides
The Zigana "F" & "K" models are about the same size as the Sig 226 and 220. A little wider but DA/SA and the safety is also a decocker. The reset is both audible and tactile but I swear the trigger itself can't move more than a hair width. And with an MSRP under $300.00 might be even less expensive than my Sig P series were all those decades ago.

It does feel German Sig P series though in hand and in function.
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Old November 29, 2023, 11:12 PM   #36
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Cheap ones let me down. This time I'm thinking of a Colt Lightweight Commander.
I love my 1911's. I own three Colts and two Springfields. Maybe if I ever bought a cheap one, I would feel the same as you. But I started with Springfield and Colt, and my experience has been stellar.

I'm a revolver guy, but about a decade ago I became "1911 curious", and bought my first Springfield. That was the gateway drug that led to my 1911 addiction.

For what it's worth, I don't carry my 1911's because I'm kind of a small guy. They're just for range fun. Maybe if I carried one daily it might get to be a bit much, but then again maybe not. I really like them a lot!
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Old November 30, 2023, 05:38 PM   #37
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I love the 1911 and wish I had more of them. They fit my hand so well I shoot them rather easily. I do still have a few.
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Old November 30, 2023, 10:17 PM   #38
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"Far as I’m concerned there are only 2 handguns that are worth trusting your life to. The Colt 1911, pre series 70s- G.I. Issue and S&W K & N frame revolvers of the P&R era."

Well, I agree with half of that statement.
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Old December 1, 2023, 12:43 AM   #39
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I like 'em. I really like 'em.

But, they are big. And also heavy. To the extent that it's hard to actually have one with me under most circumstances. And I do like a gun that I can have with me.
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Old December 1, 2023, 01:03 AM   #40
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There is nothing wrong with a 1911 in “ God’s Calliber”
But as I think about combat .45 pistols …
There is everything right about a Sig P220 & also the P227
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Old December 1, 2023, 10:30 AM   #41
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If I'm going to go rocking into a social situation, the 1911 is probably one of the last handguns I'd choose...

Not because I hate it, but because I just don't love it.

My first choice for a social situation would be my S&W 19 4", followed by my Model 19 2.5". I'm intimately familiar with both of those handguns, having put thousands of rounds through them and having carried both on more than a few occasions.

Also on the list would be my Model 57 in .41 Mag. or my Model 25-5 in .45 Colt. But, those would be way down on the list simply because I don't have any decent social situation ammo for them. Still, can't disagree with a chunk of lead that huge.

If I were limited to semi-autos, I'd likely pick either my Hi Power or my P7 PSP first. I'm not crazy about the Hi Power being single action only, but you gotta love that magazine capacity, and I especially love the way it fits my hand.

I wouldn't feel badly armed with either my S&W 410 in .40 S&W or my 4506 in .45 ACP, either.

I'd give an honorable mention to my Wather CCP, as well. I've never had a gun fit my hand so naturally as that one.
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Old December 1, 2023, 11:12 AM   #42
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Buy a 1911 from Clark Custom Guns ...

Better Yet ... Have them build a 1911 to your specifications !

Everything they have done for me ... has put a smile on my face and a song in my heart . How much is happiness worth ?

You just been buying 1911's from the wrong places ... try Clark Custom Guns !
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Old December 1, 2023, 03:39 PM   #43
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I don't hate them, actually like them a bit, but think they are over rated. I've had a bunch over the years and have a pretty good idea what they will and won't do. I no longer own one, but feel it is one of those guns that everybody should own for at least a while.

The 1911 was a great pistol in its day but was surpassed by better designs and was no longer a practical combat pistol by the end of WW-2.

I consider the 1911, the SAA revolver and all lever actions nostalgic pieces of history that everyone needs to try. But for practical use all 3 are no longer a top choice.
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Old December 1, 2023, 06:33 PM   #44
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The 1911 was a great pistol in its day but was surpassed by better designs and was no longer a practical combat pistol by the end of WW-2.
Considering that we didn't replace the 1911A1 until almost 40 years after the end of WW II, and its variants are still one of the more widely produced handguns, I'd say not everyone shares that opinion.

Absolutely there are more modern designs that do many things the 1911A1 doesn't, some of them are better personal defense arms than the 1911 type pistols.

To me the amazing thing is that while there are improved pistols designs today, the guns designed 50, 70, or 90 years after the 1911 aren't all that much better. Compare the design advances in cars and aircraft, from 1911 till now, and the design advances in pistols.

If you hate the 1911 simply use something else (that someone else hates ), and be happy with it.
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Old December 2, 2023, 02:10 PM   #45
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I love 1911's especially Dan Wesson 1911's. They fit me well they look good to me conceal good for me and for easy to shoot and shoot well. If you hate 1911's that's ok I just hope you like shoot and carry something. I'll have all your leftover 1911's

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Old December 2, 2023, 03:29 PM   #46
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I must be blessed.... blessed by the M1911 gods. I own 4 of them, 3 Colts and a Norinco. Yes, a Norinco, that works flawlessly once I found mags that it likes. I would trust my life with any one of them.
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Have a TISAS and a Springfield. Love them for home use. Too heavy for carry. Have Glock 19, 43 for carry and 34 for target.
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I've had a Springfield and 2 RIAs. Never any major issues other than a mag or two here and there that is problematic on occasion. I've been able to shoot 230gn HP (speer GD) reliably from them. They are quite accurate. Though not mine, I've a friend/coworker who has a colt 70 series he picked up used for $500. It needed some cleaning and TLC... but it's right as rain today.

I believe the early 2000's Kimbers were sometimes problematic. I believe this was largely fixed by 2010. Oh the Ruger's are pretty good too.

Sometimes, the looser and more seemingly ill-fitted machines have enough play to run pretty darn good. They may not reach optimal accuracy and performance with looser tolerances, but they'll run all day and be more accurate than most humans can shoot. It's making a machine with tight tolerances for top level optimal performance that one or two machining burrs or a barrel bushing (or barrel) that's out of round by .002" can throw a wrench into things, and reliability suffers.
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"Considering that we didn't replace the 1911A1 until almost 40 years after the end of WW II, and its variants are still one of the more widely produced handguns, I'd say not everyone shares that opinion."

Tradition is a very powerful thing...

And it's really not best to consider the military as a bulwark for active forward thinking.

Sure, the military that gave you the 1911 is also the military that, against all evidence, gave you the M14 and .308 cartridge.
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Old December 3, 2023, 03:19 PM   #50
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Sure, the military that gave you the 1911 is also the military that, against all evidence, gave you the M14 and .308 cartridge.
And it was "forward thinking" political appointees that took away the M14 and replaced it with the M16 and the .223 cartridge, while keeping the .308 as the machine gun round.

There is no doubt the military could have replaced the 1911A1 well before it did, but whether you call it tradition or inertia, they kept the 1911 as the primary service pistol for a long, long time.

The last major purchase of the 1911A1 was in 1945, and several of the contracts were cancelled when it became obvious that we had more than enough pistols to finish the war with. And then some,,,

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And it's really not best to consider the military as a bulwark for active forward thinking.
I consider the modern military to be pretty good at active forward thinking, for their own purposes and uses. However I do not consider military thinking to be the best or most applicable thinking for civilians. Private citizens are in a different place than servicemen and women. The military looks at mission over individual personal safety. And, the duty handgun is a fairly low priority in the ranking of military armaments.

The exact opposite is true for me, and most citizens, who view the handgun as the primary arm for self defense and put defense of self (and family) at the TOP of our priority list.

I was in the military. I've been a civilian for 45 years now. The job the military wants and needs a handgun to do and the job I want and need a handgun to do are vastly different things.

Since its my life (and my butt) on the line (potentially at least) its my standards I use to decide what is, and isn't right, for me. That the military chooses other things for other reasons doesn't matter to me, or really affect me in any significant way.
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