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Old June 15, 2023, 09:57 AM   #451
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I hate cats, but cattongue is awesome!
I thank you for the link. I was wondering what catton even was, and if "gue" was a marketing variation of "goo".
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Old June 15, 2023, 07:15 PM   #452
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Do remember that it was VP Biden who told us all one needed for defense was a double barrel shotgun, and we should just shoot it in the air and the police will come.....
In all fairness when most people shoot a double barrel shotgun in the air, the police often do come....
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Old June 15, 2023, 08:36 PM   #453
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In all fairness when most people shoot a double barrel shotgun in the air, the police often do come....
And, generally arrive well after the issue is decided, one way or the other....

Also what works well enough for someone with a Secret Service detail assigned to them for their protection doesn't apply well to the rest of us.
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Old June 15, 2023, 09:48 PM   #454
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Still waiting for Judge Benitez...
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Old June 18, 2023, 10:21 AM   #455
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Here’s what the President had to say about pistol braces.

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“[The brace] makes it where you can have a higher caliber bullet coming out of that gun.”
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Old June 18, 2023, 01:19 PM   #456
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Here’s what the President had to say.....

"God Save The Queen, man!"


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Old June 18, 2023, 05:35 PM   #457
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It's code for Gog and Mogog are loading up the space ship with all the primaries and preparing for departure. the planet isn't worth saving. Food humans file into the cargo area.
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Old June 23, 2023, 02:14 PM   #458
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In recent "mainstream" news I've seen reports of the House passing a bill that would stop the rule change, and the Senate killing it (by ONE vote), completely along partisan lines in both chambers.

When our rights and the proper interpretation and enforcement of the law become political "footballs" kicked around and voted on solely on the basis of party alignment, WE ALL LOSE.

Right now, the options for those people who have such things (braces now defined as stocks) seem to be, register them with the ATF under all their requirements, or remove them from your gun(s), or risk becoming a convicted felon if you get caught having one on a gun.

Until/unless we get enough people in office and positions of authority who recognize that THINGS aren't the problem OR the solution, we're pretty well stuck in this seemingly endless cycle of banning any THING that someone else decides we don't "need" when it is deliberately misused.
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Old June 23, 2023, 05:57 PM   #459
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It’s a pretty dumb thing to ban that really makes very little difference.
If the AR had no buffer tube that protrudes out of the back we wouldn’t even be having this problem.
Seems like the government is trying to play a game of Gotcha with its law abiding citizens. Pretty nefarious for a republic that is supposed to serve the people.
The bill of rights is supposed to be human freedoms that the government must stay out of.
All political parties should be in agreement on human rights in an ideal situation. Lol.

I feel as though we are going to be spending our last days together at the Chestnut Tree Cafe.
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Old June 23, 2023, 08:26 PM   #460
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A big day in court coming up next week (the 29th), especially with regard to the pistol brace:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCN5KDM_-t4


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Old June 23, 2023, 11:22 PM   #461
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Looking forward to this.
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Old August 6, 2023, 04:31 AM   #462
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The 5th Circuit Court of Appeals Has ruled that the ban exceeded the authority of the ATF and remanded it back to District Court.

https://assets.nationbuilder.com/fir...pdf?1690919131

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For the foregoing reasons, we REVERSE the order denying a prelim-
inary injunction and REMAND with instruction to consider that motion
expeditiously. To ensure relative stability, we MAINTAIN the preliminary
injunction pending appeal that the motions panel issued on May 23, 2023, as
clarified by this merits panel on May 26, 2023.63 This court’s injunction will
expire 60 days from the date of this decision, or once the district court rules
on a preliminary injunction, whichever occurs first. We direct the district
court to rule within 60 days.
So we might know sooner rather than later.

Throughout the ruling they comment a bit about how imperfect and confusing ATF rulings, procedures and process are.

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Under the Final Rule, it is nigh impossible for a regular citizen to
determine what constitutes a braced pistol, and outside of the sixty contem-
poraneous adjudications that the ATF released, whether a specified braced
pistol requires NFA registration.53 Various AR pistols without a recognizable
“brace” may fall into the strictures of the Final Rule.54 Such an owner may
not be on notice that his firearm is subject to criminal penalties without
registration.

Nor does the ATF bother to clarify the matter.
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So we might know sooner rather than later.
But whatever we learn from this case will be valid only in the 5th Circuit jurisdiction. Courts in other Circuit areas could rule quite differently.
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But whatever we learn from this case will be valid only in the 5th Circuit jurisdiction.
Not exactly. It was remanded to the District Court which is only a small portion of the 5th's Circuit. However a District Court can issue a national injunction which can then go to the appeals court or even the SCOTUS. It turns into a game of hot potato that can go for a while.
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Old October 14, 2023, 05:42 AM   #465
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https://www.foxnews.com/media/federa...cond-amendment

Another ruling against the ATF
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Old October 15, 2023, 11:10 PM   #466
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There are now reported cases of the ATF violating court injunctions and confiscating braced pistols and FRTs. Hopefully, this will lead to contempt charges or some other legal smackdown, but until then, be careful and ready to record any interactions with ATF/DOJ agents (if they are willing to violate court orders, filing false reports about interviews wouldn't be a stretch...)

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Old October 27, 2023, 09:29 PM   #467
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Is there now a nationwide injunction?
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Old October 28, 2023, 11:04 AM   #468
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Is there now a nationwide injunction?
No. The injunction only applies to the named parties (as stupid as that sounds).

So, 2 people that live nextdoor to each other, both have identical braced pistols, one is a member of FPC and the other is not. One is a felon in possession of an unregistered SBR and the other is legal.

There is no way that stands up long term. Equal protection under the law or some such has to come into play….right?������
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Old October 28, 2023, 12:37 PM   #469
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One is a felon in possession of an unregistered SBR and the other is legal.
When discussing the fine points of laws, particularly stupid laws (and ATF rulings are regulations, NOT law) it is important to be clear in the terms used.

One is not a felon, until convicted of a felony. A person might well be in criminal violation of the law (or just the ruling), but until they are arrested, charged, tried, and convicted, they are not felons.
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Old October 28, 2023, 06:48 PM   #470
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Fair point.

One is committing an act deemed to be a felony, the other is not.
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Old November 9, 2023, 09:45 AM   #471
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Looks like a nation wide injunction?

https://storage.courtlistener.com/re...72602.68.0.pdf
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Old November 9, 2023, 07:01 PM   #472
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https://youtu.be/tF9M8_Smmeg?si=hBl_o8V-6hi5cKlj

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Old November 10, 2023, 08:45 AM   #473
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While this link is about "ghost guns", it exemplifies changing an existing definition without going through congress and the use of "plain language"

https://assets.nationbuilder.com/fir...pdf?1699567052
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