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Old March 4, 2020, 01:12 PM   #1
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300 ammo question

I went to the range with a few different rounds today:
1. Hornaday Black 110 grain
2. Winchester Deer Season 150 grain
3. Remington OTFB 120 grain.

I used the remington to get the scope on paper at 25 and 100 yards. It grouped very well. I realize it is probably not ideal for deer but maybe ok for SHTF purposes.

The Hornaday is zeroed at 100 and I am satisfied that any deer I shoot with this will be hit where I aim, or at least within 1.5 to 2 inches of POA.

The Winchester is 3 inches low and 1.5 inches to the right, but clustered right on top of itself-abzout an inch.

Now, I know that the internet breeds snipers everyday. I a not one of them. The question that I have is this:

Hornaday has established a record with this round-it works. Winchester makes the clearly more accurate round. Does Winchester 300 Blackout Deer Season have a track record of success yet? I would prefer the most lethal round (of the choices) for deer hunting in upstate NY. I know both are hunting accurate but I'm gonna obsess o er giving myself the best chance of a clean kill.
Any real world experience would be helpful. Thanks in advance.

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Old March 4, 2020, 02:17 PM   #2
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The Hornady Black comes with a 100 V-Max or GMX bullet. The V-Max is a varmint bullet and is not suitable for deer. The GMX is a solid copper bullet(so is the Remington 120. Other forums say it's good for deer.) that is OK for deer at under 100 yards(that applies to all .300 BO ammo. Including the Winchester 150. Not enough energy past there.) The Winchester 150 will do nicely, but it'll also have more felt recoil.
"...3 inches low and 1.5 inches to the right..." That doesn't matter while you're checking ammo. Only the group size matters when doing that. You'll be sighting in anyway.
It's best to use the most accurate ammo. So sight in with whichever brand gives the best accuracy at 100.
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Old March 4, 2020, 02:32 PM   #3
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Thank you for your reply. I heard that the Hornaday does not act like a varmint bullet at bla kout speeds-more like a standard big game bullet. I personally have not shot at a deer with the 300, I just want the best, most humane bullet for the job at 200 or u der.
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Old March 4, 2020, 02:34 PM   #4
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Old March 4, 2020, 06:04 PM   #5
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Which 300? 300 Savage? 300 SAUM? 300 WSM? 300 Win Mag? 300 RUM? Most likely, from reading the post, it is a 300 Blackout. There are a lot of 300s out there, so be specific.
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Old March 4, 2020, 06:22 PM   #6
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Does Winchester 300 Blackout Deer Season have a track record of success yet?
Not yet.

Sometimes you just have to ignore the nonsense that O'Heir posts.

The problem with the 300 BO is a lack of suitable bullets. Most of the 30 caliber bullets under 150 gr are really designed for varmints, not big game. Most of the 30 caliber bullets 150 gr and heavier designed for big game need at least 1800 fps at impact in order to expand or they act like FMJ. And it is not possible to get them moving fast enough in the 300 BO.

There have been hunters who have successfully taken deer with both approaches, but so far there are much better options for hunting than 300 BO. I'd much rather use a good 60-75 gr bullet in 223 than any current bullet designed for 300 BO.

BUT.... There are some recent developments for heavier bullets designed to work at the lower 300 BO speeds. If these prove successful then the round will be a lot better. But anyway you look at it there are better choices. For taking game it is a step down from 223. The 300 BO's main advantage is that it is easy to shoot suppressed. And even with the best loads 300 BO isn't a 200 yard deer cartridge.
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Old March 4, 2020, 07:26 PM   #7
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Most all of my hunting areas are less than 100 yards but I do have a couple spots where I could open up to 200 yards. I want the 300 blackout to be a working solution for me, but I fit ultimately doesn't then I guess I go with the 30-06 also in the safe.
I like the idea of the blackout as a close to short-mid range deer rifle.

Thank you gentlemen for your answers.
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Old March 4, 2020, 07:40 PM   #8
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There are a cpl factory loads that are “go to” loads for deer sized game in the blackout.

1. 110gn Blacktips
2. 150gn Gold-dots.
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Old March 4, 2020, 08:38 PM   #9
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There are also a few loads in the 125gr area-Hornady FTX 135 gr looks interesting
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Old March 5, 2020, 10:03 AM   #10
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Copy that. Thanks. I might be inclined to try the gold dots. I really want the Winchester load to be a deer slayer-easily sourced locally, not overly obnoxious on the wallet if you buy a couple boxes on payday...
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Old March 5, 2020, 04:15 PM   #11
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A lot of guys down here in Texas use the 300 bo for hog hunting with good success. I've seen some really large hogs taken with that caliber using 125 gr. bullets.
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Old March 5, 2020, 04:33 PM   #12
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I haven’t hunted with it yet, But the best overall bullet I’ve seen for the 300 blackout so far is Barnes 110 gr tac tx aka blacktip
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Old March 5, 2020, 06:05 PM   #13
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I wouldnt shoot any of those bullets in 300 Weatherby.
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Old March 5, 2020, 06:38 PM   #14
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Thank you guys for the help!
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