Lead, Solder, eh, what's the difference. :o)

USSR · December 6, 2019, 05:13 PM

Went to my favorite scrap yard today looking for some lead sheathing or pipe (can't have too much pure lead). Found the sheathing and much, much more. Seems the guys at this scrap yard throw solder in with the lead (hey, it looks like lead). Came out with 7 # of solder at $.80 per pound. Now you know why it's my favorite scrap yard.

Don

HiBC · December 6, 2019, 08:03 PM

Good score. There are different alloys of solder,of course.

Depending on whether its 50/50,or 60/40,etc you have some tin for alloy.

pwc · December 6, 2019, 08:11 PM

Solder can have built in flux, usually rosen or acid core. Rosen is probably ok, but acid core....I don't know how you get rid of the acid, if it amalgamates into the solder melt, or if it burns off or what. Bar solder has no flux included. If you use it, does it leave acid trace in the bore? Has anyone tried this before?

USSR · December 6, 2019, 08:53 PM

This is solid core solder, no flux. Have used flux core solder before and what a PITA. A lot of smoke, and then you have to spoon out the liquid flux which rises to the top of the melt. I don't know whether this is 50/50 or 60/40, but when creating an alloy I will treat it as 50/50. A little extra tin doesn't hurt a thing.

Don

David R · December 7, 2019, 08:11 AM

I went to the local radiator shop and took the stuff from the bottom of their tank. Giant globs of 60/40 solder. Sometimes 15 or 20 lbs at once. They gave it to me.

David

USSR · December 7, 2019, 08:41 AM

David,

Lucky you. Since I cast mostly hollowpoint and hollowbase bullets, I use a high tin content alloy. Helps to be able to add tin and not worry about the cost.

Don

**Unclenick** · December 7, 2019, 05:06 PM

Note that a lot of the modern lead-free solder is over 90% tin and often has a small amount of silver in it. Both good for casting.

USSR · December 7, 2019, 06:18 PM

Hi Unclenick,

Yeah, I've got a spool of that high tin solder (95% tin, 5% copper) from a previous foraging in the lead bin. The high tin solder is not easily flexible like this solder is. It is definitely lead based, and if I had to guess, I would say it's 60/40.

Don

Dufus · December 9, 2019, 08:37 PM

I always used either 50/50 solder in 1 lb bars (I think they are 1 lb) or 9 lb bars of 70/30 solder. I have a supply of both.

USSR · December 9, 2019, 09:23 PM

Yeah, I've got some of those 50/50 bars. You don't find them much any more. Good stuff!

Don

FrankenMauser · December 9, 2019, 11:03 PM

It's always good to score a win.

My brother is a commercial plumber.
Once or twice a year, he cleans out the back of his truck and tosses all of the one-time-use or never-used rolls of solder into a bucket. I can't remember if it's 97/3 or 94/3/3. Either way, it's 3% copper and 94-97% tin.
Between what he keeps for himself and what he gives me, I think we're both set for a few generations.

We do, however, have a harder time obtaining lead and casting alloys. His primary berm mining location got locked down, and mine banned touching the berms altogether (technically, you can't even pick up a bullet sitting on the ground).

But, we find ways.

USSR · December 10, 2019, 12:06 PM

FrankenMauser,

No scrap yards in your neck of the woods?

Don

FrankenMauser · December 10, 2019, 03:52 PM

The closest non-ferous scrap yard that will resell material is 165 miles away.

I've been meaning to stop by, for about a decade (

), when I'm in the area. But it's never convenient...

December 6, 2019, 05:13 PM	#1
USSR Senior Member Join Date: November 14, 2017 Location: Finger Lakes Region of NY Posts: 1,442	Lead, Solder, eh, what's the difference. :o) Went to my favorite scrap yard today looking for some lead sheathing or pipe (can't have too much pure lead). Found the sheathing and much, much more. Seems the guys at this scrap yard throw solder in with the lead (hey, it looks like lead). Came out with 7 # of solder at $.80 per pound. Now you know why it's my favorite scrap yard. Don __________________ NRA Life Member NRA Certified Metallic Cartridge Reloading Instructor

December 6, 2019, 08:53 PM	#4
USSR Senior Member Join Date: November 14, 2017 Location: Finger Lakes Region of NY Posts: 1,442	This is solid core solder, no flux. Have used flux core solder before and what a PITA. A lot of smoke, and then you have to spoon out the liquid flux which rises to the top of the melt. I don't know whether this is 50/50 or 60/40, but when creating an alloy I will treat it as 50/50. A little extra tin doesn't hurt a thing. Don __________________ NRA Life Member NRA Certified Metallic Cartridge Reloading Instructor

December 7, 2019, 08:41 AM	#6
USSR Senior Member Join Date: November 14, 2017 Location: Finger Lakes Region of NY Posts: 1,442	David, Lucky you. Since I cast mostly hollowpoint and hollowbase bullets, I use a high tin content alloy. Helps to be able to add tin and not worry about the cost. Don __________________ NRA Life Member NRA Certified Metallic Cartridge Reloading Instructor

December 7, 2019, 05:06 PM	#7
Unclenick Staff Join Date: March 4, 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 21,060	Note that a lot of the modern lead-free solder is over 90% tin and often has a small amount of silver in it. Both good for casting. __________________ Gunsite Orange Hat Family Member CMP Certified GSM Master Instructor NRA Certified Rifle Instructor NRA Benefactor Member and Golden Eagle

December 7, 2019, 06:18 PM	#8
USSR Senior Member Join Date: November 14, 2017 Location: Finger Lakes Region of NY Posts: 1,442	Hi Unclenick, Yeah, I've got a spool of that high tin solder (95% tin, 5% copper) from a previous foraging in the lead bin. The high tin solder is not easily flexible like this solder is. It is definitely lead based, and if I had to guess, I would say it's 60/40. Don __________________ NRA Life Member NRA Certified Metallic Cartridge Reloading Instructor

December 6, 2019, 08:03 PM	#2
HiBC Senior Member Join Date: November 13, 2006 Posts: 8,283	Good score. There are different alloys of solder,of course. Depending on whether its 50/50,or 60/40,etc you have some tin for alloy.

December 6, 2019, 08:11 PM	#3
pwc Senior Member Join Date: March 21, 2018 Location: AZ Posts: 236	Solder can have built in flux, usually rosen or acid core. Rosen is probably ok, but acid core....I don't know how you get rid of the acid, if it amalgamates into the solder melt, or if it burns off or what. Bar solder has no flux included. If you use it, does it leave acid trace in the bore? Has anyone tried this before?

December 7, 2019, 08:11 AM	#5
David R Senior Member Join Date: January 2, 2015 Location: The swamps of WNY Posts: 753	I went to the local radiator shop and took the stuff from the bottom of their tank. Giant globs of 60/40 solder. Sometimes 15 or 20 lbs at once. They gave it to me. David

December 9, 2019, 08:37 PM	#9
Dufus Senior Member Join Date: December 10, 2014 Posts: 1,965	I always used either 50/50 solder in 1 lb bars (I think they are 1 lb) or 9 lb bars of 70/30 solder. I have a supply of both.

December 9, 2019, 09:23 PM	#10
USSR Senior Member Join Date: November 14, 2017 Location: Finger Lakes Region of NY Posts: 1,442	Yeah, I've got some of those 50/50 bars. You don't find them much any more. Good stuff! Don __________________ NRA Life Member NRA Certified Metallic Cartridge Reloading Instructor

December 9, 2019, 11:03 PM	#11
FrankenMauser Senior Member Join Date: August 25, 2008 Location: In the valley above the plain Posts: 13,424	It's always good to score a win. My brother is a commercial plumber. Once or twice a year, he cleans out the back of his truck and tosses all of the one-time-use or never-used rolls of solder into a bucket. I can't remember if it's 97/3 or 94/3/3. Either way, it's 3% copper and 94-97% tin. Between what he keeps for himself and what he gives me, I think we're both set for a few generations. We do, however, have a harder time obtaining lead and casting alloys. His primary berm mining location got locked down, and mine banned touching the berms altogether (technically, you can't even pick up a bullet sitting on the ground). But, we find ways. __________________ Don't even try it. It's even worse than the internet would lead you to believe.

December 10, 2019, 12:06 PM	#12
USSR Senior Member Join Date: November 14, 2017 Location: Finger Lakes Region of NY Posts: 1,442	FrankenMauser, No scrap yards in your neck of the woods? Don __________________ NRA Life Member NRA Certified Metallic Cartridge Reloading Instructor

December 10, 2019, 03:52 PM	#13
FrankenMauser Senior Member Join Date: August 25, 2008 Location: In the valley above the plain Posts: 13,424	The closest non-ferous scrap yard that will resell material is 165 miles away. I've been meaning to stop by, for about a decade (), when I'm in the area. But it's never convenient... __________________ Don't even try it. It's even worse than the internet would lead you to believe.