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January 31, 2015, 10:04 AM | #51 |
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I note that a lot of SBR stamp owners were posting amazing return times that seemed to have accelerated. The wait times two years ago were reportedly 8-9 months, once the brace sales were rolling I read where stamp applications were being returned in 8-9 weeks. The ATF is reported to have increased their staff, but I think it was reduced applications. The brace simply killed SBR stamp sales.
Now that the letter has hit the ATF has started returning all applications with any error whatsoever. Back to square one to the applicant, to correct and return. The wait time starts over. I'm seeing an agenda by the ATF to choke stamp sales and cut off Brace sales. Their letter was handed out per political guidelines, on a Friday afternoon with nobody to answer the phones all weekend. Added to that, that weekend everyone was traveling to the biggest firearms sales event annually, with dozens of new braced equipped guns for sale along with new brace styles. It's all about the anti gun politics of this administration, and they pulled off a pretty good punch. Brace owners immediately clogged for sale forums with them discounted to move, and others started inquiring about adding 5" flash hiders or applying for stamps. They are getting the enforcement they needed from the gun community itself. And it's already getting worse, a post on another forum has a pistol owner being told by a range officer that shouldering his buffer tube is illegal, and forcing him to leave the range under escort. It's already as bad as that guy getting tackled at Walmart. We have seen the enemy, and he is us. |
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Even if it did affect Form 1's, the addition of several states making silencers legal for hunting (Texas among them) increased the number of Form 3's and 4's more than ever. Quote:
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February 11, 2015, 11:02 AM | #55 |
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I didn't realize someone was privy to the number of applications being submitted and the hiring practices of the ATF in the last two years.
Any links to those facts? If someone wants to pump their ego deconstructing another's opinion, it's really a waste of time. The fact is that the Brace changed the playing field in some significant ways. First, the AR community began to realize the only difference between an AR pistol as a toy range gun and a stamped SBR was 1) a stock 2) the stamp. In terms of legality, the pistol already had significant advantages, especially where a State outlawed possession of SBR's. In terms of accuracy, the discussion become centered on how much do you need for a weapon who's primary mission is close in shooting under 50 feet? There are plenty of threads and videos showing the pistol is as effective as the SBR. Functionally they are identical in all other respects - except for a flat vertical surface on the rear to stabilize holding it against the shoulder. There are other methods and in the 50 foot accuracy range it's moot. A handgun would do as well, what the pistol offers is rifle level power and high capacity, plus it falls under CCW guidelines. The AR shooters were well aware of the distinct advantages, and adding a Brace only sold the concept to a lot more. Prior to the Brace, wait times on Stamps were over 18 months. Currently, the wait time is now weeks. My contention is that for every Brace sold, there was a Stamp application put off, and that is what caused the major reduction in wait times. Absent hard facts to the contrary, it's just an opinion, and everybody has one. What the Open Letter has done, tho, is to highlight who is being complicit with the ATF in supporting the status quo. On the other hand, there are those who are reminding us that the NFA is a discriminatory and unConstitutional act to deprive citizens of their 2A rights, and imposes a "poll tax" that only allows those "approved" to pass muster and own a firearm that for millions of others would be illegal to possess. And aren't sorry for suggesting that if buying a Stamp is the price of your integrity, so be it. Bickering over the details of what is obviously an attempt to further restrict our 2A rights is exactly what anti gunners and the current Administration want to get. It deflects from organizing and getting Congress or the Courts to remove the provisions of the NFA. That should be our #1 effort - not rumbling in threads to prove who's the alpha poster. Either the citizens of the United States run their government, or the government will run us. Considering the current state of affairs, it seems as if there are plenty who like the way things are right now and have no inclination to see any change at all, even if it would benefit the many. They would lose the there paid membership in an exclusive club - which is why the AR pistol and brace threatens them more than it does the ATF. There are a lot of apologetics going around stating "what did you expect?" when the real question should be "why do we tolerate this infringement on our Rights?" Bad enough one forum is closing threads with the disclaimer that holding a buffer tube to the shoulder is "criminal activity." Do you support that conclusion? |
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Either you haven't been paying attention or you never bothered reading the NFA subforums on this website or any other. Heck, I knew about SBR's forty years ago.
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What's not so great is that they assume we haven't already been fighting these battles, sometimes for decades. These aren't new laws. The reason they still stand isn't because gun owners are do-nothing "Fudds." It's because the framework hasn't been there to challenge them until very, very recently. When it comes to the NFA, we're not there yet. Folks need to stop poking the bear until the time is right. If anything, this whole mess is a symptom of that. It should also stand as a lesson.
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Tim from The Military Arms Channel made an excellent video showcasing the dangers of this letter issued by the BATFE.
I already wrote my state reps and the BATFE, sure hope more get active. Though I fear too many will be apathetic to this, and all it will take is one case of someone getting arrested to effectively ruin everything even further. https://www.youtube.com/feed/subscriptions |
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