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My take is to try to avoid physical a altercation at all times while carrying your handgun. Even if you mean good, you can't pretend to know what'll happen. I've seen way too many people get knocked out cold by a cousin, brother, friend, uncle, or random person that passes by for trying to break up a fight. Or even help the downed person up. Just stay situationally aware of the surroundings. Things can go way too many different ways. I named just a few of the hundreds. Be careful! |
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In retrospect--the mere fact that in both cases the "trespassers" simply left without any explanation of why they were on my property to begin with kind of tells the story. Again--it's one of those "you had to be there to make the call" kind of things. Funny how in neither case the guys didn't call in a complaint to LE.
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The defender naturally believes that he is the "good guy", but there is no reason whatsoever to believe that those twelve who may judge him will have any reason to see things that way. The victim (and that will be the proper term) and his associates will clean up well, and they will present a different story. They may have long rap sheets, but unless the records were relevant and, in a all but a couple of jurisdictions, known to the defender, the twelve doing the judging will never know about them. And very importantly, any witnesses who happen to have been present probably noticed nothing that happened before the shots were fired. In Post #15, serf 'rett provided two links. I strongly agree--everyone here should study them. |
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More reason to seek good training for surviving deadly encounters. Well trained folks are much less likely to make poor decisions and face long term consequences. But there's no avoidance of the fact that to be able to deal with those consequences, whether they are the result of good or bad choices, one has to be there and not six feet under.
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These kind of scenario based questions come up alot when ive trained everyday citizens.
My response is usually based around the use of ALTERNATIVE force measures. The legal justification needed to deploy some OC is MUCH lower then that needed to use a firearm. Additionally, the use of the OC and the subsequent reaction of the aggressors can speak volumes to their mindset. By no means am i advocating the use of OC as a substitute for a firearm. If its time to shoot... Then SHOOT. But, for these types of gray areas, where justification for the use of deadly force is in question, a blast of good quality Pepper Spray into the assailant (or group of assailants) is easier to justify and has lighter legal ramifications if you are wrong. The saying..." If all you have is a hammer, everything becomes a nail" applies here. Options are ALWAYS good if properly applied. OC is not the proper response if facing an lethal threat, but for the in between stuff its a nice option to have |
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Excellent points, Sharkbite.
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I recommend a book to all of you. So people can get a better understanding.
A citizens guide to: Force Decisions By Rory Miller One of the best books I've ever read on the matter. |
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its not about being afraid to act.. its about common sense and not seeing every problem as a nail while you carry a hammer.
There are plenty of people who seem to consider every hostile misdeed as a gun pulling situation. Few situations may warrant that level of force but (generally), most do not.
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I'm done. You guys can carry on without me.
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For example, if you are alone and fueling your car, and you are approached by a pedestrian who is clearly not an employee of the station walking in a direction that leads only to you, and he has one hand concealed behind him, you might well have a legitimate reason to ask him to keep his distance. If he might be an employee of the station, you would be taking a chance. If he is, you could get into real trouble. As Craig points out, if you are using an ATM and someone approaches, you have to ask yourself whether he is after your money or coming over to withdraw his own after you have finished your business. And you had better not be wrong. If you are on a public sidewalk, you had better not "issue a command" unless there is some indication that that person does in fact present an immediate threat to you. |
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Situational awareness is key.
Training for something other than gunplay is also key. Martial arts, ANY, is better than not being trained at all. I've seen old Tai Chi dudes kick royal buttock...you'd never imagine they could So join the nearest to your home, or the one that you think looks the best...doesn't matter. Just get trained. You can always get More training. Learn the basics, then improve. Find what works for you and learn it inside out. Next...weight training. I'm here to tell you that it is a huge help, just don't go overboard. Low Weight, High reps. Low weight, High Reps. Low Weight, High Reps. Make it your mantra. Used to be massive, as in Lou Ferrigno massive... now due to High Weight, as many Reps as possible, I've got Degenerative Disc Disease. Found out the same results could have been achieved by supersets and low weights, and there would have been no DDD, no pain, and a better health outlook for my Golden Years. And unless you WANT heart problems, don't mess with Steroids. Ever wonder why all those Pro Bodybuilders & Wrestlers kick off around 50?? That's Why.
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Related: If you're being attacked by someone within arm's reach, you don't have a gun, y'all have a gun. It's probably best if it stays in the holster until you've bought enough space to make it just your gun again. |
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