H&K not making H&K MP5 why?

9mm · November 6, 2012, 03:31 AM

Why doesn't H&K re-make the MP5 but in semi auto? nice gun, would love to get one.

SHNOMIDO · November 6, 2012, 03:47 AM

You WILL pony down for the USC and you WILL like it!

OR ELSE!

I dont know. Maybe its such a niche market that they feel its filled by the $2500 USC. Maybe its political. The MP5 is pretty much as ubiquitous as the AK-47.

I dont feel like its very niche. I would like one.

Kimio · November 6, 2012, 04:11 AM

Why? Because others are already doing it.

http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/inde...153&Itemid=707

http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/inde...category_id=23

http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/inde...category_id=23

Lets not forget the laws in Germany, if I recall they have some kind of regulations preventing that among our own stipulations and regulations that prevent such things as well.

Someone more knowledgeable on this please correct me if I'm wrong

Crow Hunter · November 6, 2012, 08:09 AM

2 reasons.

- The MP5 is much more expensive and time consuming to make than the UMP series. HK is there to make money, they will not make as much money on a MP5 as they do a UMP.

- The laws in Germany prevent guns of that type being produced for civlian consumption without some serious modifications. Look at the specs for the MR223 (the European version of the HK416/MR556)

That being said, the MP5 is the coolest full auto gun that I have ever shot. (I have never gotten to try a UMP)

Ridge_Runner_5 · November 6, 2012, 09:24 AM

Sporting clause

5.56RifleGuy · November 6, 2012, 01:25 PM

It would be very expensive to make, and very expensive to buy. They would have to make all, or bring to the US, the tooling to produce the weapons. They don't think that the amount of sales justifies the expense.

sailskidrive · November 6, 2012, 02:03 PM

It's an old design, the demand for the MP5 has waned significantly. Most SWAT teams here in the US have moved to M4 variants...

Technosavant · November 6, 2012, 02:22 PM

I'm not seeing a big market for a semiauto MP5 with a 16" barrel in the US at HK prices. And that's assuming they make it here; it wouldn't be importable as it is.

Pistol caliber carbines aren't all that big a market anyway. Despite the claimed interest on the internet, they just don't sell all that much. Hi Point manages to make a go of it thanks to the low price and Beretta manages to get interest in their Storm carbine, but the Beretta just doesn't seem to be all that terribly popular either.

It seems that buyers, if they're going to deal with the size and weight of a longarm, decide to go ahead and get something that shoots a rifle round.

Molasses · November 7, 2012, 09:10 AM

Maybe because they didn't sell enough/make enough profit back when they did make HK-94s?

Paul K · November 7, 2012, 10:58 AM

It was banned from importation, by name, by the US Government. That was back in '89. Since then, there has been other laws; both in Germany and the US that make it financially unfeasible to do so. HK has since moved on to other projects but the MP5 and the roller-locked platform is a bit like the McLaren F1: It's so good that even the factory can't make a better one. A true icon.

November 6, 2012, 03:31 AM	#1
9mm Senior Member Join Date: January 9, 2011 Location: Land of the Free Posts: 2,834	H&K not making H&K MP5 why? Why doesn't H&K re-make the MP5 but in semi auto? nice gun, would love to get one.

November 6, 2012, 08:09 AM	#4
Crow Hunter Senior Member Join Date: January 27, 2012 Posts: 1,078	2 reasons. - The MP5 is much more expensive and time consuming to make than the UMP series. HK is there to make money, they will not make as much money on a MP5 as they do a UMP. - The laws in Germany prevent guns of that type being produced for civlian consumption without some serious modifications. Look at the specs for the MR223 (the European version of the HK416/MR556) That being said, the MP5 is the coolest full auto gun that I have ever shot. (I have never gotten to try a UMP) __________________ I am no longer participating in gun forums. Good luck.

November 6, 2012, 02:03 PM	#7
sailskidrive Senior Member Join Date: October 26, 2008 Posts: 726	It's an old design, the demand for the MP5 has waned significantly. Most SWAT teams here in the US have moved to M4 variants... __________________ SailSkiDrive Hk USP 45 Expert, USP 40, USP 9, SIG P226, S&W M&P9, Hk 4, Makarov, Desert Eagle 40, Beretta FS92 Centurion, Kimber TLEII 1911A1, Glock 22, SIG P225, 1943 Rem Rand 1911A1, S&W mod 64, Walther PPQ, SIG P229, Browning BDA 45 (SIG P220), Hk45, SIG P230

November 6, 2012, 03:47 AM	#2
SHNOMIDO Senior Member Join Date: June 23, 2011 Location: Illinois Posts: 423	You WILL pony down for the USC and you WILL like it! OR ELSE! I dont know. Maybe its such a niche market that they feel its filled by the $2500 USC. Maybe its political. The MP5 is pretty much as ubiquitous as the AK-47. I dont feel like its very niche. I would like one.

November 6, 2012, 04:11 AM	#3
Kimio Senior Member Join Date: January 2, 2011 Location: Arizona Posts: 1,171	Why? Because others are already doing it. http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/inde...153&Itemid=707 http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/inde...category_id=23 http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/inde...category_id=23 Lets not forget the laws in Germany, if I recall they have some kind of regulations preventing that among our own stipulations and regulations that prevent such things as well. Someone more knowledgeable on this please correct me if I'm wrong

November 6, 2012, 09:24 AM	#5
Ridge_Runner_5 Senior Member Join Date: February 8, 2008 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 1,925	Sporting clause

November 6, 2012, 01:25 PM	#6
5.56RifleGuy Senior Member Join Date: May 9, 2010 Location: USA Posts: 1,212	It would be very expensive to make, and very expensive to buy. They would have to make all, or bring to the US, the tooling to produce the weapons. They don't think that the amount of sales justifies the expense.

November 6, 2012, 02:22 PM	#8
Technosavant Senior Member Join Date: May 29, 2007 Location: St. Louis, MO area Posts: 4,040	I'm not seeing a big market for a semiauto MP5 with a 16" barrel in the US at HK prices. And that's assuming they make it here; it wouldn't be importable as it is. Pistol caliber carbines aren't all that big a market anyway. Despite the claimed interest on the internet, they just don't sell all that much. Hi Point manages to make a go of it thanks to the low price and Beretta manages to get interest in their Storm carbine, but the Beretta just doesn't seem to be all that terribly popular either. It seems that buyers, if they're going to deal with the size and weight of a longarm, decide to go ahead and get something that shoots a rifle round.

November 7, 2012, 09:10 AM	#9
Molasses Senior Member Join Date: February 17, 2007 Location: Anoka, MN Posts: 273	Maybe because they didn't sell enough/make enough profit back when they did make HK-94s?

November 7, 2012, 10:58 AM	#10
Paul K Senior Member Join Date: February 27, 2001 Location: Michigan Posts: 674	It was banned from importation, by name, by the US Government. That was back in '89. Since then, there has been other laws; both in Germany and the US that make it financially unfeasible to do so. HK has since moved on to other projects but the MP5 and the roller-locked platform is a bit like the McLaren F1: It's so good that even the factory can't make a better one. A true icon.