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Old December 28, 2017, 01:31 PM   #1
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Announced RETURN of the Ruger PC9

Ruger has just announced an updated version of the PC9. This New model is a Takedown in the same fashion as the 10/22 Takedown. It ships with two magazine wells, one Ruger SR type mag, one Glock type mag. A mag well for the Ruger American pistol is also available, at extra cost.

https://ruger.com/products/pcCarbine/models.html
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Old December 28, 2017, 01:35 PM   #2
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It utilizes 10/22 trigger components, and has reversible mag release, and charging handle. Threaded barrel, and length of pull adjustable stock
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Old December 28, 2017, 01:36 PM   #3
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I'd buy one... if it was in 10mm. I'm not impressed enough to make it replace my Sub 2000. Yeah, the Ruger would have a better trigger, but this is a pistol carbine, not a target rifle.
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Old December 28, 2017, 01:38 PM   #4
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http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2...c-carbine-9mm/
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Old December 28, 2017, 01:50 PM   #5
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I'd buy one... if it was in 10mm. I'm not impressed enough to make it replace my Sub 2000. Yeah, the Ruger would have a better trigger, but this is a pistol carbine, not a target rifle.

Similar... but .45 with Glock 30 magazine functionality (obviously, 21 magazines would work, but rather have the short magazine use, to use with my 30S).

Would be a nice suppressor host in that caliber. And considering I’ll be able to do the tax stamp, would be my choice. There is the JR Carbine, but rather the Ruger, with the takedown ability.

Actually excited for this, again, if they build a .45. Would likely stem a 10mm, but don’t do the 10mm first.
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Old December 28, 2017, 06:18 PM   #6
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This NOT a return of the PC9.

This is a NEW DESIGN. An ugly, heavy design.
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Old December 28, 2017, 07:33 PM   #7
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I am sure other calibers will follow. It wouldn't surprise me if other mag wells also followed. The receiver is aluminum, meaning the lock-up is almost certainly bolt into barrel. Should be able to make that work for almost any pistol caliber.

6.8lbs does seem a bit heavy for a pistol carbine.
A little surprised they didn't use and RAP or Security 9 pistol.
Especially with an allen screw to adjust rear sight.
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Old December 28, 2017, 08:00 PM   #8
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So... if Ruger designed this to use both SR and Glock mags, does that mean they've designed this carbine to theoretically be used with almost any pistol magazine so long as an adapter is available? If yes, Ruger could become rich beyond the dreams of avarice if they'd offer Beretta 92, Browning Hi Power, Sig P320, S&W M&P, Ruger P Series, Walther, CZ, FN, H&K, and many other magazine well adapters.

So rich they'd never need to make or sell another gun again. So rich they might be able to pay their factory employees $13/hr and overtime on Saturdays.
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Old December 28, 2017, 09:29 PM   #9
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That is an ugly rifle! I bet that hand guard is a free float HG! I would prefer a folding stock over a take down barrel.
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Old December 28, 2017, 10:02 PM   #10
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... the lock-up is almost certainly bolt into barrel...
No lockup from what I can see--it appears to be a blowback action.
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Old December 28, 2017, 10:04 PM   #11
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So... if Ruger designed this to use both SR and Glock mags, does that mean they've designed this carbine to theoretically be used with almost any pistol magazine so long as an adapter is available? If yes, Ruger could become rich beyond the dreams of avarice if they'd offer Beretta 92, Browning Hi Power, Sig P320, S&W M&P, Ruger P Series, Walther, CZ, FN, H&K, and many other magazine well adapters.

So rich they'd never need to make or sell another gun again. So rich they might be able to pay their factory employees $13/hr and overtime on Saturdays.
And if not them, aftermarket... my prediction? Yes.
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Old December 29, 2017, 06:59 AM   #12
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It's quite ugly.

I'll probably have to buy one.

I would have expected it to be AR based, but that'll do. I'm curious what the aftermarket will bring.
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Old December 29, 2017, 07:49 AM   #13
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Homely, indeed, but I might just have to have one. The thought of being able to use SR, Glock, and whatever other adaptors come next is very appealing.
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Old December 29, 2017, 08:01 AM   #14
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No pistol grip, no flash hider, no bayonet lug, 10 rd mags....Should be legal just about anywhere.
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Old December 29, 2017, 08:04 AM   #15
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At least they got the price right. I'm sure it will do very well.
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Old December 29, 2017, 08:43 AM   #16
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The originials were heavy too... I had both PC9 and PC40s and they weighed close to 7lbs.

The 10/22 trigger is the biggest improvement in the new guns. The originals had rough/heavy triggers that could not be improved much at all due to the design.
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this was posted about a day ago..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbmb4AIl2sM
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Old December 29, 2017, 02:56 PM   #18
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Maybe there's a commonly known reason why they didn't and I'm just out of the loop, but I think having the option of a bullpup configuration would have been pretty awesome. Definitely outside of Ruger's MO, but I would have been interested. I don't know if they could have incorporated the take down capability, but the bullpup design would already be small enough I'd think.
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Old December 29, 2017, 04:36 PM   #19
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Never shot a bullpup, but all I hear about them is the triggers always suck. Bullpup probably wouldn't have been as cheap either I'll bet and I think with the takedown barrel on this carbine, Ruger is planning to release integrally suppressed barrels in the future allah the 10/22.
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Old December 30, 2017, 12:56 AM   #20
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Make that puppy in 10mm........and I'll think about it. Maybe .45.
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Old December 30, 2017, 06:49 AM   #21
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I'm curious about the "dead blow action" and the use of tungsten in the bolt.

9mm blowback bolts have to be fairly chunky. On the original PC9, the bolt actually wrapped around the magazine and ran most of the way up the forend.

The new one is all self contained in the receiver.
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Old December 30, 2017, 07:10 AM   #22
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Me too.

It sounds like there's a tungsten weight that has some freedom of movement inside the bolt which both provides the needed mass (tungsten is very dense--1.7 times more dense than lead and 2.4 times more dense than steel) to deal with the blowback action and which also provides a "deadblow like" effect by moving somewhat independently of the bolt.

I'd like to take one apart to see how they implemented it.
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Old December 30, 2017, 07:47 AM   #23
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I've been upset with the last two Ruger products I've bought, so am in no great hurry to give them more of my money at the moment.

I'll wait and see how the beta testing phase goes.
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Old December 30, 2017, 08:11 AM   #24
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Compared to the old PC9, the new re-incarnation is U G L Y.
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Old December 30, 2017, 12:09 PM   #25
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I posted this elsewhere but here's my two cents.

1. The original gun was promoted as a substitute for politically incorrect ARs for police. Evil black guns terrorize the population, etc.

2. The Hollywood shoot out pointed out that 9mm rounds were ineffectual against body armor. A gun writer of that period who was praising the gun said that is true but at least you could get better hits on the legs. However, ARs soon became the gun of choice - with some Mini-14s also. Recall the pump action 223 Remington also promoted to not be evil and cops knew the 870 so they could run the pump rifle.

3. The current gun has appeal:

a. As a competition gun. IDPA has a PCC division and 10 round mags or capacity would be standard. If one moved to a state where getting a pistol permit is hellacious and takes years (if you get it), then you could compete with this.

b. The and ammo isn't as expensive as running some of the 9mm ARs.

c. It looks like a good every state semi auto rifle for home defense. Doesn't seem to light up the state AWB rules.

I've a friend who shoots the old PC-9 in matches. Seems like fun.
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