Am I wrong for loving my Jungle Carbine and the 303 Brit round it shoots? - Page 2

ThomasT · January 8, 2019, 09:37 PM

Pretty guns WYosmith. I love how bolt actions (and most other guns) feel in your hand without a scope on them.

To the OP. Your gun only has to make one person happy. You. And it sounds like it does that.

Wyosmith · January 8, 2019, 11:31 PM

Here are few more just for giggles.

OLYMPUS DIGITAL CAMERA by Steve Zihn, on Flickr

OLYMPUS DIGITAL CAMERA by Steve Zihn, on Flickr

I appreciate most guns, but my soft spot is for classics. I earn my living making muzzleloaders, so these "real modern" guns are on the "new side" for me.
Plastic stocks and stainless steel are great for the purpose, but just do not give me the delight I get from classic hand made wood stocks and perfectly tuned actions of blue steel.

ernie8 · January 9, 2019, 03:37 PM

The .303 was not " of the smokeless age " , it was the last of the black powder age . All the other cartridges listed were designed as smokeless rounds . The original .303 bp round of 1888 - 95 [ 215 grains at 1850 fps ] compared poorly to the other smokeless rounds of the same era . German 7.92 - 224 rn at 2100 , 8 Lebel - 198 spritzer at 2240 , 30/40 Krag 220 rn at 2200 and so on . When the British finally went to smokeless [ cordite as their black powder bridge locking action was too weak for nitro powder ] their load of 174 at 2380 was by far the weakest of at the .300 - 311 bore rifles at that time . German 7.9mm - 154 at 2880 , 7.62x54r 147 at 2880 , 30/06 - 148 at 2780 , the Swiss were limited to a 174 at 2560 because of their SR 1911 actions . The post WWI cartridge designs were changed for certain objectives . The German went to 198 btsp machine gun ammo for the rifle , the French wanted an intermediate round , the 7.5 - 139 at 2640 , the Japanese wanted close to the bullet weight and dia of the 8x57mm they were against in China , so they necked the 8x57 down to 7.7 [ as they were already making a 7.7 machine gun barrel and bullet ] and down loaded it for their smaller troops . The British updated the .303 with every trick they could to get it closer to all the other rounds . Went with the 174 as they could not get any more cordite in the case for a higher velocity lighter bullet , a .3095 dia lubed bullet in a .313 ++ groove to get as much velocity with lower pressure , a light tip to help it tumble for more hitting power . They really wanted to modernize their rifle and cartridge in 1913 , but
WWI stopped that .

January 8, 2019, 09:37 PM	#26
ThomasT Senior Member Join Date: January 22, 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 2,753	Pretty guns WYosmith. I love how bolt actions (and most other guns) feel in your hand without a scope on them. To the OP. Your gun only has to make one person happy. You. And it sounds like it does that.

January 8, 2019, 11:31 PM	#27
Wyosmith Senior Member Join Date: December 29, 2010 Location: Shoshoni Wyoming Posts: 2,713	Here are few more just for giggles. OLYMPUS DIGITAL CAMERA by Steve Zihn, on Flickr OLYMPUS DIGITAL CAMERA by Steve Zihn, on Flickr I appreciate most guns, but my soft spot is for classics. I earn my living making muzzleloaders, so these "real modern" guns are on the "new side" for me. Plastic stocks and stainless steel are great for the purpose, but just do not give me the delight I get from classic hand made wood stocks and perfectly tuned actions of blue steel.

January 9, 2019, 03:37 PM	#28
ernie8 Senior Member Join Date: October 9, 2018 Posts: 217	The .303 was not " of the smokeless age " , it was the last of the black powder age . All the other cartridges listed were designed as smokeless rounds . The original .303 bp round of 1888 - 95 [ 215 grains at 1850 fps ] compared poorly to the other smokeless rounds of the same era . German 7.92 - 224 rn at 2100 , 8 Lebel - 198 spritzer at 2240 , 30/40 Krag 220 rn at 2200 and so on . When the British finally went to smokeless [ cordite as their black powder bridge locking action was too weak for nitro powder ] their load of 174 at 2380 was by far the weakest of at the .300 - 311 bore rifles at that time . German 7.9mm - 154 at 2880 , 7.62x54r 147 at 2880 , 30/06 - 148 at 2780 , the Swiss were limited to a 174 at 2560 because of their SR 1911 actions . The post WWI cartridge designs were changed for certain objectives . The German went to 198 btsp machine gun ammo for the rifle , the French wanted an intermediate round , the 7.5 - 139 at 2640 , the Japanese wanted close to the bullet weight and dia of the 8x57mm they were against in China , so they necked the 8x57 down to 7.7 [ as they were already making a 7.7 machine gun barrel and bullet ] and down loaded it for their smaller troops . The British updated the .303 with every trick they could to get it closer to all the other rounds . Went with the 174 as they could not get any more cordite in the case for a higher velocity lighter bullet , a .3095 dia lubed bullet in a .313 ++ groove to get as much velocity with lower pressure , a light tip to help it tumble for more hitting power . They really wanted to modernize their rifle and cartridge in 1913 , but WWI stopped that .