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June 17, 2013, 08:34 PM | #76 |
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Garycw - I know of no agency whose officers don hearing protection in anticipation of a shoot out. Better yet, I never met an officer who carried earplugs in case there would be one. You have to hear your radio (but thankfully most agencies issue an ear bud for the radio).
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June 17, 2013, 10:44 PM | #77 |
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Are none of the anti ear protection advocates worried about there ears? Weather or not you hear the shot is not relevant. Your ear still heard the shot, your brain did not register it. Which means you still got damaged hearing..
Why risk the beautiful sounds of life? Train, have a plan, and have the tools not just your gun at your disposal quickly. The gun is just one piece of the tool box. The ammo, the flash light, the emuffs should all be there. Hearing is to precious to waste. There is no getting it back. There is no way to repair damaged hearing. Sure you lived, but now your have no life.. Going around not being able to hear the world around you, your family your friends, nature, is not a good way to live... Not my fault if you don't have the training or a plan in place to use hearing protection.. Have fun enjoying tinnitus and not being able to hear the wonderful sounds out life.. |
June 18, 2013, 06:37 AM | #78 |
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He said/ She said... Potato/ Patawto..with all the bashing/brow beating ,and name calling I think this one has about run its course! Agree to disagree!
No one wants to loose there hearing and no one wants to take unnecessary time to respond if you don't have it. Every situation is different!! Last edited by Garycw; June 18, 2013 at 06:54 AM. |
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Temporary hearing loss, which could make the difference between life and death, is also something to consider. Quote:
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You're right, DNS, and it's actually even worse than that.
It's no different from a ricochet. A bullet that bounces off a hard surface can still have enough kinetic energy to injure you, and reflected sound can have enough acoustic energy to damage your ears. If you're firing a handgun with a muzzle blast that measures 165 dB in a small room with reflective walls, ceiling, and floor, that's going to produce six reflected impulses within a few milliseconds of the direct sound; if the reflected impulses each measure around 150 dB, which is entirely possible, your ears have now been exposed to seven potentially damaging acoustic events instead of just one, and to the extent that the impulses overlap when they reach your ears, they'll act like a single, more intense acoustic event, and the SPL will be the sum of their acoustic energy, and will have even more potential for causing hearing damage. The damaging effect of noise is cumulative: exposure to several intense acoustic events is more harmful than exposure to just one, and a longer event will do more damage than a short one of the same intensity. It makes no difference to your ears if these events are direct, from the original sound source, or reflected.
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The chances of using a gun in a self defense situation are actually very low, so why even bother with a gun?
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Food for thought. Police Officers wear ear protection on the range. How many of them have you seen working the streets with muffs.
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Police officers are at the top of the list of occupations with the highest risk of job-related hearing loss. Guess why.
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Actually I think its Back injury.
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Armsmaster, perhaps I wasn't clear. What I was saying was that compared to other occupations, police officers have a very high risk of job-related hearing loss, not that hearing loss is their most frequent occupational injury. I believe you're correct, that's back injury.
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In fact, traffic cops and dispatchers are the ones most at risk. As deepcreek points out, the chances that a given police officer will be involved in a shooting are very low, so it wouldn't make sense for them to wear muffs all the time, any more than it would for me to wear them while sitting in my living room, just on the off-chance of a home invasion. Having them available is another matter. (Yes, that was a trick question... )
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Suppressed handguns for HD seem to be more common these days and hearing loss concerns is one of the reasons why is what I am told.
I think they will only get more popular as they are legal in so many states now. I think the cost and a tax stamp are the downside and what limits more people from using them. |
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I prefer auditory exclusion
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Not only that, but auditory exclusion isn't universal or consistent, not even at the individual level. So you can't even count on it to work in dampening what you perceive.
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What was brought up regarding LEO, was not patrolman, resource officer etc. it was about swat teams , entry teams using flash bangs and other divisions the regularly encounter loud noises. Another example might be military training exercises, or even actual battles. On the history channel where it shows soldiers loading and firing cannons, its no wonder they came home shell shocked.
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Auditory exclusion will not prevent hearing loss. It's a psychological effect, similar to tunnel vision, and it doesn't negate the laws of physics.
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When I'm standing next to someone at the range who is shooting a 50 BMG --- I seem to feel a pressure wave from the muzzle brake after the gun is discharged. Is this the same type of pressure wave that you get from explosions such as in fertilizer bombs? I've read it's not the noise that kills in these bombs...but the pressure wave that first affects the ears, then the brain and finally stops the heart.
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