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April 5, 2013, 01:39 PM | #76 |
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With all these new laws and restrictions in the New England area it looks like the anti-gun folks are already in control there. What I'd like to know is why, on a topic of a constitutional right, the citizens don't get to vote on law proposals like this.
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April 5, 2013, 01:43 PM | #77 |
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I'd agree with that assessment, Punisher. In many of our major urban centers, the antis are in control.
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Unfortunately, the process has been corrupted beyond all recognition. Like the NY law, the new CT law was a backroom deal that was all worked out in secret. It was presented as a fait accompli to the full membership of the CT House and Senate late on Monday, for a vote on Wednesday. The bill was 139 pages long. Despite the fact that the Sandy Hook incident was an aberration, a one-of-a-kind event that CT had not seen in 350 years of its existence, and the event took place nearly four MONTHS ago, the legislative power-brokers presented the bill as "emergency" legislation and had it certified as such, which allowed them to railroad it through with NO public hearings on the actual language of the bill, and most of the usual legislative process for new laws suspended. It was like Nancy Pelosi and Obamacare all over again: "We'll have to pass it to find out what it says." I suppose I'm naive, but I don't believe that's the way the gentlemen who set up this country intended things to be done. Last edited by Aguila Blanca; April 7, 2013 at 07:09 AM. |
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April 7, 2013, 01:13 AM | #79 |
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So I was just reading the law. I have a mini 14, no folding stock, so that is not an assault rifle. But it has a flash suppressor so it is an assault rifle, if the barrel is threaded. I just took a punch and removed the flash suppressor, so it is not an assault rifle. But if I don't fill the punch hole and keep the suppressor, it is an assault rifle.
Here is the law, or a lot of it. See if your weapon is on the list and then name it "Lucille" and it will be fine: http://www.ct.gov/dps/lib/dps/specia...lt_weapons.pdf "First they came for my neighbor because he murdered his wife with a frozen pork loin, and I said nothing. Then he called me to bail him out, and I said nothing. Then they asked me to testify and I said nothing. Then his 27 year old daughter came over in a bikini looking to be comforted, and I said nothing." Oh, I could go on. |
April 7, 2013, 09:55 AM | #80 |
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Folks, I deleted several posts that were just complaints. Can we stay more on topic of CT?
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April 7, 2013, 03:29 PM | #81 |
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Looks like Conneticut has banned everything but a stock SKS/Garand without the bayonet or grenade launcher. They've even included the Spas 12! I can't even think of a crime where a person has used one.
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April 7, 2013, 06:53 PM | #82 |
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Shotgun impact
Starting with the new law:
http://www.cga.ct.gov/2013/TOB/S/201...160-R00-SB.htm Sec. 23. (NEW) (Effective from passage) (a) As used in this section and section 24 of this act:It seems as quite a few shotguns will fall under the "Large capacity magazine" restriction. This is due to the "or can be readily restored or converted to accept, more than ten rounds" and the availablity of short rounds and/or mag tube extenders. Example http://www.brownells.com/magazines/s...57-111484.aspx This will stop alot of common shotguns from being sold in CT and bump up the number of registered "Large capacity magazine". How does the Heller "common use" help in killing the "large capacity magazine" part of the law? |
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Of course, that's not the point. The idea is to set up a list. Once that list is in place, other pesky and unpopular weapons can be added later. This way, you have it both ways: a ban on features or combinations of features, and an open list for stuff that may not have those features but can still be banned.
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Found it. Link: http://cga.ct.gov/2013/TOB/S/2013SB-01160-R00-SB.htm Lemme see if I can clean up the part we care about for this question. I think I have removed all the parts that were deleted (remember, this is a revision to Connecticut's existing AWB): Quote:
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My point was, imagine something like Kel Tec's KSG. It's not listed, and it's not really derivative of anything on the list. If one is used in a high-profile crime, or if a politician just gets his knickers in a schnitz, they can simply add it to the list.
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So if some bird hunter looses it and blows away his wife and her bridge circle, they CT legislature could add double barrel bird guns to the "assualt weapons" list?
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Can this be reversed? New Gun Laws in CT?
Also can you have 10 in a magazine and one in the chamber? Or is the new law , you can't carry a gun with more than 10 rounds?
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The law never explicitly addresses a round in the chamber, only the rounds carried in the magazine. In my opinion- "not a lawyer" disclaimers apply-10+1 pistol carry is implicitly allowed (with the proper permit of course), whether or not the magazine can hold in excess of 10 rounds. Also, take note that violating this section is a misdemeanor offense, as opposed to a felony offense like almost every other potential violation of the new law. [EDIT TO ADD:] Despite the fact that carrying a pistol with an LCM in a 10+1 condition is apparently lawful with the proper permit, if I were carrying in CT, I would probably err on the side of caution and carry 10rd mags to avoid potential legal hassles if I were to slip up and accidentally load extra rounds in a restricted LCM. Furthermore, if I were traveling to the range, I would transport my LCMs empty and load them once I arrive.
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wow. Talk about being behind the lines. Hadn't really thought about it. If it's not legal in CT, you're not protected by FOPA either.
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The 10+1 issue is kind of funny...Am I right in thinking that you could load ten rounds in a 15 round magazine, but that you couldn't chamber said round by first placing 11 rounds in the magazine? Would you have to place 10 in the magazine and load one by hand to be in compliance at all times?
Criminal 1: "Whoa, buddy, what are you doing?" Criminal 2: "I'm loading 11 rounds so I can chamber one." Criminal 1: "Bad idea man, you won't be in compliance with the law!" Criminal 2: "Whoa. Thanks, that was close." Criminals proceed to enter the bank...
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So after the lunatic who shot Gifford and also killed many, did they outlawed the Glock 19?
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April 8, 2013, 08:24 PM | #95 |
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Let's stay relevant.
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April 9, 2013, 01:34 AM | #96 |
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Obama's at it again
Looks like Obama has thrown yet another speech to gather support for his questionable push on gun control.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22075192 |
April 9, 2013, 09:28 AM | #97 |
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This thread was supposed to be about CT laws - but it has become a general one of complaints about antis.
Thus, one more off topic post and it's shut with an infraction. Sorry but that's life.
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April 9, 2013, 08:57 PM | #98 |
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I've heard (friend of a friend of a friend kind of deal) that this is still being contested, despite being signed into law by Malloy last week...I don't know on what level or by whom, though.
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I know someone who is a member of the Connecticut Citizens' Defense League. Their monthly meeting is tonight. I'll try to get in contact with him and ask for a sit rep from the meeting.
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April 9, 2013, 10:13 PM | #100 |
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The CCDL is my source as well...talking to my buddy tomorrow. Guess one of us will update here once we have some idea of what's going on.
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