Pi Pizza, Houston TX - Page 2

steve4102 · October 9, 2016, 09:09 AM

So from where I sit, this social media battle has backfired and we guns owners are looking like a bunch or vindictive idiots.

Thanks for the PR.

http://www.texasmonthly.com/the-dail...hts-activists/

BarryLee · October 9, 2016, 10:03 AM

Yes, often when you act like a bunch of ill-mannered teenagers people end up seeing you that way – funny how that works out. With ever changing demographics you would think people would try to win converts not push folks away. The population of the state has increased by something like ten million in the last decade. While some were obviously born there others are transplants who relocated for their job. Logic tells you that not all of these folks support the Second Amendment. I’m sure Texas will be fairly safe from any major State initiated restrictions for some time, but nothing is forever just ask those folks in Colorado. Public image does matter, so maybe we need to take the high road and let our foes waller in the sewer.

FITASC · October 9, 2016, 12:26 PM

Winning the battle and losing the war..................

People need to THINK TWICE before they hit "enter"; not a whole lot different than the yahoos who open carry an AR in Walmart; the idiotic actions of a few make us all looks like ignorant jerks. With the social media totally controlled by the socialist, anti-gun groups, did no one think how bad this would backfire?

steve4102 · October 9, 2016, 12:50 PM

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did no one think how bad this would backfire?

You would have to ask the OP, what he was thinking when he decided to start this war.

As for me, I say yes, no one Thinks.

Longhorn1986 · October 9, 2016, 05:33 PM

Texas Monthly is a liberal rag and has been for at least the last 30 years. Their primary function, other than being a mouthpiece for the Texas Democratic party seems to be to provide a platform for plastic surgeons in Dallas, Austin & Houston to advertise.

Anyone who is actually from Texas hasn't taken anything Texas Monthly has advocated seriously since Dolph Briscoe was governor.

FITASC · October 9, 2016, 06:24 PM

Yet folks must or you wouldn't even bring it up

motorhead0922 · October 10, 2016, 04:49 PM

It doesn't look to me like the original facebook post by Kyle Kelly was nasty. He stated his case succinctly. His one-star review of the place probably was a bad idea, although it's useful information for other prospective customers that if they are carrying, they are not welcome.

Pi owner Lee Ellis is the one that went berserk. His response was totally uncalled for.

BTW, this appears to be a decision by one restaurant owner. I have eaten at 2 Pi locations in St. Louis and there were no signs. I carried concealed, and enjoyed fabulous pizza.

steve4102 · October 11, 2016, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by motorhead0922

BTW, this appears to be a decision by one restaurant owner. I have eaten at 2 Pi locations in St. Louis and there were no signs. I carried concealed, and enjoyed fabulous pizza.

From Brietbart.

He has doubled-down and was reported to say, “As a matter of fact, now I think I’m going to put the signs up on my businesses that I don’t serve alcohol, because I don’t really care about these people.”

http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2016/...s-fans-fk-off/

Not sure if his "other businesses" are other Pi Pizza locations, or not. Maybe he owns the ones you visited in the past. If so, they will soon have No-Guns signs as well.

FITASC · October 11, 2016, 07:21 PM

HIS business, HIS choice to do so; as for the alcohol bit, I watched one restaurant not serving alcohol change its tune real fast when they had competition move in and offering beer and wine, they changed real fast as business crashed.

Pizza restaurants are the most prolific restaurant type in the US; if you like pizza and want to carry, go somewhere else

Lohman446 · October 12, 2016, 10:31 AM

It creates a need for some very fancy logical footwork when one tries to argue for one individual right (such as the right to individual firearm ownership) while arguing against other individual rights (private property rights of a business).

K_Mac · October 12, 2016, 10:40 AM

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It creates a need for some very fancy logical footwork when one tries to argue for one individual right (such as the right to individual firearm ownership) while arguing against other individual rights (private property rights of a business).

Nothing fancy about it. It is quite simple. My individual right is more important than yours!

dogtown tom · October 12, 2016, 11:38 AM

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Lohman446 It creates a need for some very fancy logical footwork when one tries to argue for one individual right (such as the right to individual firearm ownership) while arguing against other individual rights (private property rights of a business).

Hogwash!
Nothing in the Constitution or Bill of Rights grants anyone a right to "individual firearms ownership" when ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.

There is no gray area. The Bill of Rights applies to GOVERNMENT actions and protects us from GOVERNMENT.

Those who cry about "My rights!!!!" often happily ignore the rights of others.

Lohman446 · October 12, 2016, 11:43 AM

I think KMac intended that to carry a good bit of sarcasm.

K_Mac · October 12, 2016, 12:04 PM

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I think KMac intended that to carry a good bit of sarcasm.

Yes, although my rights are clearly the most important!

Nathan · October 12, 2016, 04:53 PM

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Remember Walter Palmer? A year or so ago, he killed a lion in Zimbabwe. It was a huge piece of manufactured social media outrage for a couple of weeks.

Palmer had a dental practice. During that time, people went on his Yelp page and flooded it with one-star "reviews," which were actually just rants about the perceived injustice of his actions. Yelp deleted them, as they weren't actual reviews of his practice.

People responded by posting one-star "reviews" claiming actual deficiencies in his practice. These "reviews" were obviously not written by actual clients, yet they claimed all sorts of malpractice and fraud. That's libel.

More to the point, it just looks petty and childish. Spamming a business' reviews doesn't really do anything about the problem. It just ensures that the owner will likely dig in his heels on the matter, thus losing any chance at getting the policy changed.

I see your point, but I must debate it.

Hunting in Africa does not affect your dental care, unless you are trying to schedule when he is away.

A "no guns" sign makes the restaurant more dangerous and less inviting to CCW permit holders. Therefore a one star review is reflective of the owner specifically telling the reviewer he is not allowed in the place with his ccw. That was the point of the one star reviews. Did any of them say the pizza sucks, even though I never ate any? People got to learn to read.

5000 1 star reviews by people who never ate the pizza should be ignored. If they don't apply to you. Some people may want to eat pizza in a place that bars law abiding citizens from carrying.

NateKirk · October 15, 2016, 07:01 AM

How many pizza places are in the average town, like 5 or ten? Just go somewhere else and tell your friends to do the same.

October 9, 2016, 10:03 AM	#27
BarryLee Senior Member Join Date: July 29, 2010 Location: The ATL (OTP) Posts: 3,946	Yes, often when you act like a bunch of ill-mannered teenagers people end up seeing you that way – funny how that works out. With ever changing demographics you would think people would try to win converts not push folks away. The population of the state has increased by something like ten million in the last decade. While some were obviously born there others are transplants who relocated for their job. Logic tells you that not all of these folks support the Second Amendment. I’m sure Texas will be fairly safe from any major State initiated restrictions for some time, but nothing is forever just ask those folks in Colorado. Public image does matter, so maybe we need to take the high road and let our foes waller in the sewer. __________________ A major source of objection to a free economy is precisely that it ... gives people what they want instead of what a particular group thinks they ought to want. Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman

October 9, 2016, 12:26 PM	#28
FITASC Senior Member Join Date: December 6, 2014 Posts: 6,446	Winning the battle and losing the war.................. People need to THINK TWICE before they hit "enter"; not a whole lot different than the yahoos who open carry an AR in Walmart; the idiotic actions of a few make us all looks like ignorant jerks. With the social media totally controlled by the socialist, anti-gun groups, did no one think how bad this would backfire? __________________ "I believe that people have a right to decide their own destinies; people own themselves. I also believe that, in a democracy, government exists because (and only so long as) individual citizens give it a 'temporary license to exist'—in exchange for a promise that it will behave itself. In a democracy, you own the government—it doesn't own you."- Frank Zappa

October 9, 2016, 06:24 PM	#31
FITASC Senior Member Join Date: December 6, 2014 Posts: 6,446	Yet folks must or you wouldn't even bring it up __________________ "I believe that people have a right to decide their own destinies; people own themselves. I also believe that, in a democracy, government exists because (and only so long as) individual citizens give it a 'temporary license to exist'—in exchange for a promise that it will behave itself. In a democracy, you own the government—it doesn't own you."- Frank Zappa

October 10, 2016, 04:49 PM	#32
motorhead0922 Senior Member Join Date: October 30, 2010 Location: Missouri Posts: 635	It doesn't look to me like the original facebook post by Kyle Kelly was nasty. He stated his case succinctly. His one-star review of the place probably was a bad idea, although it's useful information for other prospective customers that if they are carrying, they are not welcome. Pi owner Lee Ellis is the one that went berserk. His response was totally uncalled for. BTW, this appears to be a decision by one restaurant owner. I have eaten at 2 Pi locations in St. Louis and there were no signs. I carried concealed, and enjoyed fabulous pizza. __________________ SAF, ACLDN, IDPA, handgunlaw.us My AmazonSmile benefits SAF I'd rather be carried by 6 than caged by 12. 2020: It's pronounced twenty twenty.

October 11, 2016, 07:21 PM	#34
FITASC Senior Member Join Date: December 6, 2014 Posts: 6,446	HIS business, HIS choice to do so; as for the alcohol bit, I watched one restaurant not serving alcohol change its tune real fast when they had competition move in and offering beer and wine, they changed real fast as business crashed. Pizza restaurants are the most prolific restaurant type in the US; if you like pizza and want to carry, go somewhere else __________________ "I believe that people have a right to decide their own destinies; people own themselves. I also believe that, in a democracy, government exists because (and only so long as) individual citizens give it a 'temporary license to exist'—in exchange for a promise that it will behave itself. In a democracy, you own the government—it doesn't own you."- Frank Zappa

October 9, 2016, 09:09 AM	#26
steve4102 Senior Member Join Date: December 23, 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,955	So from where I sit, this social media battle has backfired and we guns owners are looking like a bunch or vindictive idiots. Thanks for the PR. http://www.texasmonthly.com/the-dail...hts-activists/

October 9, 2016, 05:33 PM	#30
Longhorn1986 Senior Member Join Date: July 12, 2016 Location: Fort Bend County, Texas Posts: 173	Texas Monthly is a liberal rag and has been for at least the last 30 years. Their primary function, other than being a mouthpiece for the Texas Democratic party seems to be to provide a platform for plastic surgeons in Dallas, Austin & Houston to advertise. Anyone who is actually from Texas hasn't taken anything Texas Monthly has advocated seriously since Dolph Briscoe was governor.

October 12, 2016, 10:31 AM	#35
Lohman446 Senior Member Join Date: April 22, 2016 Posts: 2,192	It creates a need for some very fancy logical footwork when one tries to argue for one individual right (such as the right to individual firearm ownership) while arguing against other individual rights (private property rights of a business).

October 12, 2016, 11:43 AM	#38
Lohman446 Senior Member Join Date: April 22, 2016 Posts: 2,192	I think KMac intended that to carry a good bit of sarcasm.

October 15, 2016, 07:01 AM	#41
NateKirk Senior Member Join Date: February 28, 2013 Location: Detroit Posts: 435	How many pizza places are in the average town, like 5 or ten? Just go somewhere else and tell your friends to do the same. __________________ “Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading".” ― --Thomas Jefferson