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May 15, 2020, 03:39 AM | #1 |
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Unruly dog not on leash, owner behaving aggressively
I was walking in a public park just before the virus spread and a big dog without leash was behaving aggressively as I was passing by on the walking path in the park and as I looked apprehensively towards the dog the owner began to make eye contact with me and made aggressive gestures at me! The park has a policy that states dogs cannot be without leash in the park. How should one deal with such situation? Is it legal to use pepper spray on the dog if it attacked me? How should one deal with aggressive, unfriendly owner of the dog?
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May 15, 2020, 04:06 AM | #2 |
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Whether or not it's legal to use pepper spray on an aggressive, unleashed dog is determined by the laws of the state. From your screen name I assume you are in Texas -- look up the Texas statutes on the use of pepper spray for self defense.
Same thing for the dog's owner.
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Look up what happened to Harold Fish.
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Poession legal
https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/D.../htm/PE.46.htm Subpara (14) But it says nothing about use, much less anything specifically against dogs or other entities |
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For the person, Chapter 9 of the TX penal code would be a primary source.
https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/Docs/PE/htm/PE.9.htm |
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Gotta ask; how did you survive this encounter unscathed?
Repeating that behavior in the future might be your best bet if something similar happens again. |
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I bet the USPS has an answer to your question...
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The OP hasn't been back to TFL since May 15, and he hasn't answered the question I asked in post #7. Let's wait and see if he is still interested in continuing this discussion.
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If I'm CCWing all legal with my wife and baby, and on the up and up and doggie is being a threat , my hand goes to the butt of the weapon.
Owner-boy gets the warning, if doggie attacks , doggie is gonna die. Owner has the next move, He needs to holster his weapon. |
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How does one define "attack?"
I think if the animal was actually making physical contact, trying to bite you then whatever you do at that point become self defense. Spray it, shoot it, kick it. I punched a dog once when it tried to grab restaurant left overs out of my hand.
But if the dog is still a few feet away and barking agressively . . . is that an attack? Life is good. Prof Young |
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My layman's view is that, if I'm allowed to shoot a person when I [legitimately] fear that he may kill or injure me, I'm certainly allowed to shoot a dog under the same conditions. If the dog is acting aggressively, is a large enough breed that it could do some serious damage (not a Toy Poodle, for example), and isn't on a leash (especially in places where leashes are required) ... then I think I would be justified in shooting if the dog advances toward me. Anyone who knows dogs should know that they can move quickly. A long, long time ago, when I was a teenager or maybe even pre-teen, we were very friendly with our next door neighbors, but not with there rather large and aggressive dog. One day my brother and I were standing in their driveway talking to the husband. The dog was present, but on a very heavy rope that held him out of reach. Except that the rope ran around a tree. The *&%&# dog was smart enough to figure out that if he circled behind the tree, the rope would be long enough to let him get at us. He did just that and, in the blink of an eye, he had taken a chunk out of my brother's posterior.
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Unruly dog not on leash, owner behaving aggressively
Don't express fear the dog can sense it. Let dog pass and report owner to 911 if needed. If dog attacks defend yourself proportionately.
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My brother walks his dog every night. He carries a innocent looking golf club he got at Good Will for $2.00. Carrying a club or sword could raise a few eyebrows. Golf club nobody gives a second look.
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Hammers and crowbars are tools of the trade for carpenters, but when they are found in the back seat of a gang banger's car along with Suzie Soccermom's family jewels they are miraculously transformed into "burglary tools." It's all in the context, and when you use anything as a club the context is that you used whatever it is as a club.
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If you are seen walking with a hammer of crowbar chances are HIGH you will get a visit from LEO's. Not so much with a golf club............well not in the ghetto but where people play golf.
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I don't live in a ghetto. I live in a liberal enclave comprised mostly of doctors, lawyers, and professors. (They didn't let me in -- my family was here a couple of hundred years before they arrived). I assure you, a person strolling down the road with one golf club in his hand would raise suspicions, and might well result in the police being called to have a chat with the pedestrian.
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Hi Aguila,
Guess that is the difference in where we live. HERE people in their yards with a gap wedge, chipping, is a common site. p.s. in all fairness I live 1 mile from a course where the PGA hold annual tournaments. Guess is like those living next to Whittington. Firearms ARE a common site. Last edited by luger fan; May 29, 2020 at 07:57 AM. |
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Certainly best advice was given to look at criminal law aspects in a given state's code and case law. But one should also consider there could be civil liability as well.
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