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Old February 29, 2016, 01:28 PM   #26
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James, that is the bottom line and it makes it hopeless. A single round from a hidden handgun has literally no value unless a single attacker is incapacitated or all threats are driven off by a single round. No deterrent value an rock bottom tactical v value.
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Old February 29, 2016, 01:57 PM   #27
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A single round from a hidden handgun has literally no value unless a single attacker is incapacitated
How much value does 18 rounds from something like a non-hidden Glock 17 have if there is only a single attacker but it doesn't incapacitate him?

How much value does a single shot have if there is only a single attacker and it incapacitates him and saves your life. Infinite maybe?
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Old February 29, 2016, 02:11 PM   #28
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The gun isn't particularly designed to help people- it's designed to make the manufacturer money by having the government and insurance companies pay for it.
Think about all the power chair and catheter commercials you see on TV.
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Old February 29, 2016, 05:15 PM   #29
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I think to say this is only designed to make money for the manufacturer is a bit cynical. I do agree that making this something that is reimbursed by Medicare/Medicaid is a stretch at best. The companies advertising on TV for a share of the health care business are just like everyone else; some are honest and some aren't. Catheters and wheelchairs are medical necessities though. Pigs will fly before Medicare pays for concealed weapons...
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Old February 29, 2016, 07:52 PM   #30
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I see a big flaw in the ability to use this firearm. Being a member of Paralyzed Veterans of America, if the dexterity of your hands do not allow normal handgun operation, why would this be any different? Buckmasters, Wheeling Sportsman NWTF, PVA, all have systems for anyone with any kind of disability to get out and shoot.
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Old March 1, 2016, 02:59 AM   #31
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The gun isn't particularly designed to help people- it's designed to make the manufacturer money by having the government and insurance companies pay for it.
Think about all the power chair and catheter commercials you see on TV.
Ding, Ding, Ding.
I think we have a winner here.

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Old March 1, 2016, 02:53 PM   #32
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As can be said about thousands of products.

In fact, I'm thinking about inventing twelve gauge rounds with silly putty. I have no idea what it will do, but people will love it, and buy them at two bucks a round

I think unique, pink hulls, cushioned wads with non stick lining, one ounce load.roll crimp, with smiley faces on the top cards. I think that I'll use mine to copy pictures from the funny pages from fifty feet.

I wonder, is that a mistake? Should it be $2.50 a round? I could use $1coupons on the five pack. Gross sales may be phenomenal.
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Old March 1, 2016, 03:01 PM   #33
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Just for the record, the above "quote" attributed to me is not mine. Bill DeShivs is the author.
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Old March 2, 2016, 12:50 AM   #34
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Just for the record, the above "quote" attributed to me is not mine. Bill DeShivs is the author.
Corrected.
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Old March 2, 2016, 08:02 AM   #35
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What I would like to know is specifically what disabilities is this gun supposed to be addressing.

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James, that is the bottom line and it makes it hopeless. A single round from a hidden handgun has literally no value unless a single attacker is incapacitated or all threats are driven off by a single round. No deterrent value an rock bottom tactical v value.
While a single shot is not ideal, I would completely disagree with the notion that a single shot gun has no value. It is amazing how many engagements are won by intended victims who fire only a single shot and who either miss or fail to incapacitate their attacker, yet the attacker ceases hostilities and goes elsewhere.

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The gun isn't particularly designed to help people- it's designed to make the manufacturer money by having the government and insurance companies pay for it.
While I completely agree with you, Bill, keep in mind design intent is pretty meaningless in many cases. People get all hung up on design intent as if it was a deterministic factor in design application. Design intent is just the designer's view of how his/her design should be applied, but that does not mean that the design can't be used elsewhere. Think about Viagra. What it is currently marketed for is NOT what it was designed for. In fact, it failed for its original design application and what it is marketed for now was a side effect discovered during trials.

The Palm Pistol may be able to help people, regardless of its design intent and regardless of whether the manufacturer is trying to make money doing so. All manufacturers try to make money. That is their design intent because if they fail to do so, then they go out of business.

So this gets back to the question about exactly what sort of disabilities this sort of gun is supposed to be addressing. Is it really filling a niche that is not otherwise covered by other products on the market?
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