TX CCW age lawsuit - Page 2

JBial · November 27, 2010, 11:31 PM

Anybody can start a family, it takes a man to provide for them.

youngunz4life · November 27, 2010, 11:52 PM

very true jbial, and many teenagers are willing and able to do that. Many 'adults' are not able to. I don't think the doors are going to be getting banged down if 18yr olds are allowed to get CCW's. I might look up and see if any very young legal CCW's have had some issues(or I should say shooting incidents). Personally, I feel some people use the right for the wrong reason and vice versa regardless of the age. I would side with the decriminalization of drugs too. People are smart enough to know whats wrong and right for the most part. Having laws against carrying due to age and/or laws against being able to carry in major locations such as Chicago or DC isn't going to keep the people who carry for the wrong reasons from carrying. I don't feel that if a drug becomes legal every single person and their brother is going to go out and start using it either. Many of our laws have led to binge drinking and drug abuse in our youth. In other cultures this doesn't happen because the youth isn't 'banned'. There is a valid argument that paople who have learning&understanding of firearms growing up can be safer than the ones that grow up thinking guns are bad or I need to make sure they stay away from them. Sorry for the babble, rambling, and/or tangent(not trying to fringe on the twilight zone here). Its just an opinion I have. I know that many, many people might see it differently to many varying degrees. It seems to be a hot topic in election yrs now. It is good to see the rights of gun owners making progress: the 5-4 decision making the chicago gun ban of 30+yrs overturned, DC being overturned, and so-on. Lastly, I also agree with teeroux(I am not sayig he agrees with me in my above post); those that look at our country as in a dire, bad, negative state all the time actually just feed the fire of the youth as they grow up or maybe I should say the pessimistic outlook. America is a great country and nation, and the nation too will continue to grow and mature overtime. America is of course very young itself. God Bless+Happy Holidays.

AfterLife · November 28, 2010, 12:47 AM

i know some that would be responsible enough but they are very very limited. most of the youngins now a days are not responsible enough to let them leave the house on their own much less with a CCW.

armsmaster270 · November 28, 2010, 02:51 AM

Coast Guard is a Federal L.E. Agency as well as an Armed Service. A 3rd Class Petty Officer is not unrealistic at 19 and they carry sidearms and are Federal Law Enforcement Officers covered by H.R. 218 although the C.G. does not allow off duty Concealed Carry. At 16 I was packing a Colt 1911 while driving to our Boat Club to shoot. All legal in CA at the time. Not so now.

KSFreeman · November 28, 2010, 11:56 AM

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I agree that 18 year olds should be allowed to apply for a CCW if they complete a five to thirteen week training course.

Funny, in Indiana I had a LCTH in high school with no training required. It has been this way in Indiana for over seven decades.

I see no reason why Indiana 18 to 20 year olds are so much more responsible than Texans or any other state.

armoredman · November 28, 2010, 09:01 PM

Thanks, Bernie, I was in a hurry or I would have looked it up. azleg.gov is a great resource! That change happened well after I passed 21, so it never affected me.

tet4 · November 29, 2010, 10:31 AM

I think that current culture suffers from the same misinformation about teenagers and young adults as it does about use of firearms. All you hear in the news about young people is that they get drunk, party, commit crimes, are irresponsible, etc. I live in a college town and yes, some are idiots, but surprisingly (or not) for the 20K students here, the vast majority of them behave themselves.

It wasn't 60 years ago that kids 12y/o would go out with a loaded firearm and hunt all day or plink somewhere with their friends - unsupervised. They would bring guns to school so they could hunt afterward. This probably still happens in several states. Lots of teenagers join the military and grow up really fast. The truth is that people don't grow up because they aren't expected to. I think if an 18y/o was motivated enough to go get a permit for CCW and then actually carry the gun, they would wise up just as much as the overwhelmingly vast majority of CCWs already do.

When I send my daughter off to college, I pray that I can legally send along a handgun that she can carry wherever she goes. Can you think of any other segment of the population that needs protection more than 18y/o college freshmen girls on an unknown campus in an unknown town? Many of these girls are living off campus in rented apartments.

Just because a few idiots do stupid things (regardless of age) we shouldn't condemn the whole group. We let 16y/os get behind the wheel by themselves every day, but we think by 18 they are still so irresponsible as a group that it's a public safety hazard to let them keep a gun in their car?

November 27, 2010, 11:52 PM	#27
youngunz4life Senior Member Join Date: November 15, 2010 Location: United States of America Posts: 1,877	very true jbial, and many teenagers are willing and able to do that. Many 'adults' are not able to. I don't think the doors are going to be getting banged down if 18yr olds are allowed to get CCW's. I might look up and see if any very young legal CCW's have had some issues(or I should say shooting incidents). Personally, I feel some people use the right for the wrong reason and vice versa regardless of the age. I would side with the decriminalization of drugs too. People are smart enough to know whats wrong and right for the most part. Having laws against carrying due to age and/or laws against being able to carry in major locations such as Chicago or DC isn't going to keep the people who carry for the wrong reasons from carrying. I don't feel that if a drug becomes legal every single person and their brother is going to go out and start using it either. Many of our laws have led to binge drinking and drug abuse in our youth. In other cultures this doesn't happen because the youth isn't 'banned'. There is a valid argument that paople who have learning&understanding of firearms growing up can be safer than the ones that grow up thinking guns are bad or I need to make sure they stay away from them. Sorry for the babble, rambling, and/or tangent(not trying to fringe on the twilight zone here). Its just an opinion I have. I know that many, many people might see it differently to many varying degrees. It seems to be a hot topic in election yrs now. It is good to see the rights of gun owners making progress: the 5-4 decision making the chicago gun ban of 30+yrs overturned, DC being overturned, and so-on. Lastly, I also agree with teeroux(I am not sayig he agrees with me in my above post); those that look at our country as in a dire, bad, negative state all the time actually just feed the fire of the youth as they grow up or maybe I should say the pessimistic outlook. America is a great country and nation, and the nation too will continue to grow and mature overtime. America is of course very young itself. God Bless+Happy Holidays. __________________ "Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!" -Admiral Farragut @ Battle of Mobile Bay 05AUG1864

November 28, 2010, 02:51 AM	#29
armsmaster270 Senior Member Join Date: November 25, 2008 Location: California Posts: 1,951	Coast Guard is a Federal L.E. Agency as well as an Armed Service. A 3rd Class Petty Officer is not unrealistic at 19 and they carry sidearms and are Federal Law Enforcement Officers covered by H.R. 218 although the C.G. does not allow off duty Concealed Carry. At 16 I was packing a Colt 1911 while driving to our Boat Club to shoot. All legal in CA at the time. Not so now. __________________ http://www.armsmaster.net-a.googlepages.com http://s239.photobucket.com/albums/f...aster270/Guns/ Retired LE, M.P., Sr. M.P. Investigator F.B.I. Trained Rangemaster/Firearms Instructor & Armorer, Presently Forensic Document Examiner for D.H.S.

November 27, 2010, 11:31 PM	#26
JBial Member Join Date: August 11, 2010 Location: virginia Posts: 60	Anybody can start a family, it takes a man to provide for them.

November 28, 2010, 12:47 AM	#28
AfterLife Member Join Date: December 21, 2009 Location: AR Posts: 36	i know some that would be responsible enough but they are very very limited. most of the youngins now a days are not responsible enough to let them leave the house on their own much less with a CCW.

November 28, 2010, 09:01 PM	#31
armoredman Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2007 Location: Arizona Posts: 5,297	Thanks, Bernie, I was in a hurry or I would have looked it up. azleg.gov is a great resource! That change happened well after I passed 21, so it never affected me.

November 29, 2010, 10:31 AM	#32
tet4 Senior Member Join Date: November 13, 2009 Posts: 232	I think that current culture suffers from the same misinformation about teenagers and young adults as it does about use of firearms. All you hear in the news about young people is that they get drunk, party, commit crimes, are irresponsible, etc. I live in a college town and yes, some are idiots, but surprisingly (or not) for the 20K students here, the vast majority of them behave themselves. It wasn't 60 years ago that kids 12y/o would go out with a loaded firearm and hunt all day or plink somewhere with their friends - unsupervised. They would bring guns to school so they could hunt afterward. This probably still happens in several states. Lots of teenagers join the military and grow up really fast. The truth is that people don't grow up because they aren't expected to. I think if an 18y/o was motivated enough to go get a permit for CCW and then actually carry the gun, they would wise up just as much as the overwhelmingly vast majority of CCWs already do. When I send my daughter off to college, I pray that I can legally send along a handgun that she can carry wherever she goes. Can you think of any other segment of the population that needs protection more than 18y/o college freshmen girls on an unknown campus in an unknown town? Many of these girls are living off campus in rented apartments. Just because a few idiots do stupid things (regardless of age) we shouldn't condemn the whole group. We let 16y/os get behind the wheel by themselves every day, but we think by 18 they are still so irresponsible as a group that it's a public safety hazard to let them keep a gun in their car?