Utah and Montana Permitless Carry – Quirks in Laws

Gary Slider · February 19, 2021, 09:31 AM

Utah – The Governor has signed HB 60 which will make Utah a Permitless Carry state on or about May 5, 2021. Utah bills without an effective date take effect 60 days after the Legislature adjourns. May 5 would be 60 days from that date the Legislature is scheduled to adjourn but they could adjourn earlier or later than that date. https://le.utah.gov/~2021/bills/static/HB0060.html

Montana – The Governor has signed HB 102 which makes Montana a Permitless carry state. They already had Permitless carry outside cities and towns which was over 94% of the state but this change makes them a total Permitless Carry State. The law goes into effect when signed by the Governor but the section that allows for Campus carry doesn’t go into effect until June 1, 2021 and there is a catch in that law. You have to have the training that a person applying for a permit in Montana must have to carry on a University Campus WITHOUT a PERMIT!! The second link below is the state statute stating what training is required to obtain a permit in Montana. Looks to Handgunlaw.us if you are going to carry on campus you would have to carry your training certificate or a permit from a state Montana honors and Montana didn’t change their reciprocity statute and doesn’t honor all other states. The 3rd Link is a link to the Montana Page at www.handgunlaw.us and lists in the first section the states Montana Honors. The 4th Link is a link to the Montana DOJ and who they say they honor.
https://leg.mt.gov/bills/2021/billhtml/HB0102.htm

https://leg.mt.gov/bills/mca/title_0...0030-0210.html

https://handgunlaw.us/states/montana.pdf

https://dojmt.gov/enforcement/concealed-weapons/

https://www.Handgunlaw.us will be updated later this evening or early tomorrow with the changes in these two states.

Just Saying - What Montana did was fantastic not only with Permitless Carry but removing many places their statutes stated were off limits. Just last month they put teeth in their preemption laws. They also did what other states are doing and making little traps in their laws. Having to have the training needed to obtain a permit in Montana before carrying on a college campus without a permit is a great example of that. Other states have ands, ifs or buts in their laws that set little traps for those who don’t READ the laws. Massad Ayoob told me over 25 years ago and I quote: “Know the law better than those you are dealing with!” That is what got me started cataloging the carry laws all those years ago and sharing them. Read and read a lot if you wish to stay out of trouble. Get as much training as you can afford. Not just the shooting part but how to avoid trouble. What to do before, during and after a confrontation. You not only have to protect yourself from the evil in this world but also to protect yourself in the legal system of the Local, State and Federal Courts. It is better to be prepared beforehand than to play catch up after the fact.

**Aguila Blanca** · February 19, 2021, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Garay Slider

They also did what other states are doing and making little traps in their laws. Having to have the training needed to obtain a permit in Montana before carrying on a college campus without a permit is a great example of that. Other states have ands, ifs or buts in their laws that set little traps for those who don’t READ the laws.

Very true, Gary. We all owe you a huge debt of gratitude for keeping this information up to date.

Another of those traps you mentioned is Maine. Maine went permitless a couple of years ago, but they have a "gotcha," too. Maine is permitless except for carry in state parks. And, because the National Park Service now defers to the law of the state in which a national park is located, that means to carry in Acadia National Park requires a permit. Acadia National Park is one of my favorite places in the northeast so, even though I haven't been there for many years, I got a Maine carry permit "just in case."

One thing we all need to keep in mind is the federal Gun Free School Zone (GFSZ) law. That's the law that makes it illegal to possess a loaded firearm with 1,000 feet of a school property. The exception is if you have a permit issued by the state in which the school is located. The wording means that reciprocal recognition of any other state's permit does NOT protect you from the GFSZ law -- it must be a permit issued by (not "recognized by") the state in which the school is located.

ghbucky · February 19, 2021, 01:31 PM

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We all owe you a huge debt of gratitude for keeping this information up to date.

I'll 2nd that!

February 19, 2021, 09:31 AM	#1
Gary Slider Senior Member Join Date: October 10, 2006 Location: New Martinsville, WV Posts: 431	Utah and Montana Permitless Carry – Quirks in Laws Utah – The Governor has signed HB 60 which will make Utah a Permitless Carry state on or about May 5, 2021. Utah bills without an effective date take effect 60 days after the Legislature adjourns. May 5 would be 60 days from that date the Legislature is scheduled to adjourn but they could adjourn earlier or later than that date. https://le.utah.gov/~2021/bills/static/HB0060.html Montana – The Governor has signed HB 102 which makes Montana a Permitless carry state. They already had Permitless carry outside cities and towns which was over 94% of the state but this change makes them a total Permitless Carry State. The law goes into effect when signed by the Governor but the section that allows for Campus carry doesn’t go into effect until June 1, 2021 and there is a catch in that law. You have to have the training that a person applying for a permit in Montana must have to carry on a University Campus WITHOUT a PERMIT!! The second link below is the state statute stating what training is required to obtain a permit in Montana. Looks to Handgunlaw.us if you are going to carry on campus you would have to carry your training certificate or a permit from a state Montana honors and Montana didn’t change their reciprocity statute and doesn’t honor all other states. The 3rd Link is a link to the Montana Page at www.handgunlaw.us and lists in the first section the states Montana Honors. The 4th Link is a link to the Montana DOJ and who they say they honor. https://leg.mt.gov/bills/2021/billhtml/HB0102.htm https://leg.mt.gov/bills/mca/title_0...0030-0210.html https://handgunlaw.us/states/montana.pdf https://dojmt.gov/enforcement/concealed-weapons/ https://www.Handgunlaw.us will be updated later this evening or early tomorrow with the changes in these two states. Just Saying - What Montana did was fantastic not only with Permitless Carry but removing many places their statutes stated were off limits. Just last month they put teeth in their preemption laws. They also did what other states are doing and making little traps in their laws. Having to have the training needed to obtain a permit in Montana before carrying on a college campus without a permit is a great example of that. Other states have ands, ifs or buts in their laws that set little traps for those who don’t READ the laws. Massad Ayoob told me over 25 years ago and I quote: “Know the law better than those you are dealing with!” That is what got me started cataloging the carry laws all those years ago and sharing them. Read and read a lot if you wish to stay out of trouble. Get as much training as you can afford. Not just the shooting part but how to avoid trouble. What to do before, during and after a confrontation. You not only have to protect yourself from the evil in this world but also to protect yourself in the legal system of the Local, State and Federal Courts. It is better to be prepared beforehand than to play catch up after the fact. __________________ ___________ Gary Slider Co-Owner Handgunlaw.us Member Armed Citizens Legal Defense Network.