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April 12, 2018, 07:49 PM | #76 |
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I've been toting .357 wheel guns for nearly three decades now, and I load .357 ammo for carry. I've owned a model 60 in .357 and I carried it extensively off duty in the late 1990s, but sold it off because I learned that I prefer the K frames for six shot capacity, larger grip size, and better shootability, not to mention the decrease in felt recoil with hot loads. K frames with 2 1/2" barrels don't think they are snubbies, and they shoot like 4" guns.
My 158 XTP grain hand loads chrono 1150 fps out of the 2 1/2" model 66, and the 145 grain silvertips chrono similarly. So, let's hear some more anecdotal rumors and made up info on how ineffective .357 magnum is in short barrels. Not to disparage the .38 special, since I like those too. My house guns are in that caliber or .40 S&W to save our ears in the event that I have to light one off indoors. |
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I've gotten awesome penetration from the American Eagle 158 grain JSP on deer. No need for me to step up in caliber.
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I’m using the Silvertip for a self defense load, where it had a decent rep.
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One of my favorite You Tube gun guys weighs in on the issue
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Best meat on the whole animal. The head or neck was not available?
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Originally Posted by USSR Yeah, I killed 2 deer with the classic behind the front shoulder shot with this bullet, but there's not a lot of resistance there to stop a bullet. However, let me tell you what happened when I had to make a different shot. I was in my tree stand one morning when I heard a shot and a large doe came limping over to me and lay down under my tree. So, I figured I would do the hunter a favor and dispatch his deer for him. I aimed my S&W 686 at it's back angling down into the chest cavity and touched one off. To my amazement, the deer got up and ran off. In the afternoon I was hunting on the ground in the same general area, when a deer came limping near me. I shot it with my 12 gauge. When I got it home and took the hide off, I found a perfectly mushroomed .357 silvertip bullet imbedded in the thick layer of suet on this large does back. The bullet did not hit any bone and was simply stopped by the hide and layer of fat. I lost all confidence in the silvertip bullet and would not recommend it's use for anything serious. I have since moved on to a more serious caliber and bullet. Don Quote:
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And was the deer lying down when you shot him the 2nd time with the 12Ga?
Sounds like one confused deer to lay by the same deer stand twice just to get poked the first time with a 357 then later with a 12Ga. Who knows, I wasn't there.
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Man, you guys seem to be dancing all around the fact that the Winchester Silvertip bullet does not penetrate well. If you would reread what I wrote, "In the afternoon I was hunting on the ground in the same general area, when a deer came limping near me". Reading is fundamental.
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Mas Ayoob told me himself that the Silvertip achieved a good rep as a duty load back in the day, for those that didnt jump on the 125gn bandwagon.
I'm not planning any vertical shots on deer with it.
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That bullet should have shattered that deers spine (ON topic, Silvertip Penetration).
But.........Several parts of this yarn don't add up. Is story telling "Fundamental" also? I assume that we are talking about the same animal? What type of slug, I prefer Brenneke Classic Magnums.
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USSR is correct, deer often DO seek a place to lay down when wounded. Had it happen on a number of occasions myself as things don't always goes as planned in the woods... thats why its called "hunting". I have hunted my entire life with firearms and recurve bows and many of the arrows were launched from a tree stand at a downward angle. That layer of fat and gristle under the hide he mentioned... yeah, it's real, and VERY thick come November and can diminish the penetration of handgun bullets and broadheads. There isn't anything about his story that doesn't sound plausible or genuine to me. That being said, I would prefer my .270 rifle over a .357 Magnum handgun for deer hunting, hands down. My Remington 700 .270 puts any handgun I own to shame with both massive bone smashing power and distance. Fat and gristle wont slow down a .270 bullet.
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How many of you who fear the noise and flash of a .357 indoors have an 18" 12 gauge or better yet, an AR carbine for home defense?
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I use a Mossberg 590 with a Blackhawk folder stock...run Winchester PDX Defender ammo..
I also have a Zastava AK-47 underfolder, but thats my last choice as it would send rounds all thru the house... |
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Just to clear things up because certain people are kinda ignorant...my handle translates to Stormtanker... I was an M1 Tank Commander and did the Thunder Run into Baghdad...also served in Germany and was TDY'd to the 316th Panzer Battalion and trained on Leopard MkII's...The US Army uses every tactic that the WWII Werhrmact Panzers invented... They created Blitzkrieg...we call it AirLand Doctrine...same thing... They were WAY ahead in Armored Warfare...we beat them and stole their stuff.. Ever watched the movie "Fury"?... Even their tanks were better.. We only, finally, adopted the old Wehrmact tactics when the M1 Abrams came out...and we did Blitzkrieg on Saddam in Desert Storm..right out of WWII German tactics...So bite me....read a damn history book or something... There...my little rant is over....Have a great day...
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Looks like I got "Irked" again...lol
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