Beretta 84 Spring question

[Al Lowe]

Does anyone how strong the mainspring and recoil spring on the 84 is supposed to be? I recently bought a used 84 and the spring on it seem stronger than those on my RIA M1911-A1 FS Tactical.

Thanks in advance.

[74A95]

14 lb according to Wolff.

https://www.gunsprings.com/BERETTA/8...ID1/mID2/dID35

It's sometimes harder to rack the slide on the 84 because these are blowback guns, not locked breech.

See this: https://www.shootingtimes.com/editor...el-84fs/358015

[Al Lowe]

Thanks for the quick reply. I know it's blowback. But it just feels stiffer than I expected. Hell, it's almost as bad as my RIA Rock Ultra 10mm, and that has some stiff springs.

I may have to try some Wolff springs to see if they're lighter or the same, or worse.

[74A95]

I have an 84, and it's hard to rack the slide. I also have a blowback 25 Auto, and it's almost impossible to rack it by hand. That's one of the reasons you'll find tip-up barrels on some of the small blowback autos. It's easier to load them that way than by racking the slide.

So, your 84 sounds normal.

[74A95]

Does it cycle with factory ammo? If it does, then it's normal.

[Al Lowe]

Thanks for that Shooting Times article too. If not for that, I'd have not just figured out how the decocker works.

[Al Lowe]

Originally Posted by 74A95

I have an 84, and it's hard to rack the slide. I also have a blowback 25 Auto, and it's almost impossible to rack it by hand. That's one of the reasons you'll find tip-up barrels on some of the small blowback autos. It's easier to load them that way than by racking the slide.

So, your 84 sounds normal.

I have a Phoenix TP25, I have no trouble with its springs. Racking the slide is not a problem.

[Al Lowe]

Originally Posted by 74A95

Does it cycle with factory ammo? If it does, then it's normal.

It works fine with factory ammo. It's just the springs seem stiffer than I remember. I had an 84BB years ago. And I don't recall it being as difficult as this.

[74A95]

Originally Posted by Al Lowe

I have a Phoenix TP25, I have no trouble with its springs. Racking the slide is not a problem.

My 25 Auto is a Taurus. It benefits greatly from the tip-up barrel.

[Al Lowe]

Originally Posted by 74A95

My 25 Auto is a Taurus. It benefits greatly from the tip-up barrel.

No doubt. The Phoenix was an impulse buy. It was used, it was under $100.00. It sits in a drawer now and makes the occasional range visit. It has some features I like. But it has some I totally detest. I thought about selling it. Instead, I keep it as a reminder that not all impulse buys are good.

[TailGator]

My 84F has the stiffest slide in my safe.

I don't recall it being as difficult as this.

As a fellow has reached a certain age, may I gently suggest that some combination of memory and physical strength may have changed over the years?

[Al Lowe]

That is a very good possibility.

Originally Posted by TailGator

As a fellow has reached a certain age, may I gently suggest that some combination of memory and physical strength may have changed over the years?